The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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VARob

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eternally-gratefull said:
ok, we are saved not by grace but by works

good to know your true gospel finally comes out
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Everyone has always been saved by faith. In the OT, and in the book of Revelation, people were (and will be) required to demonstrate their faith. In the OT they were required to keep the law. In Revelation it explicitly states that they must "endure to the end". Saul lost the Holy Spirit, and did evil in the sight of the Lord. After David sinned, he prayed to God not to take the Holy Spirit from him.

Throughfaith is right. Christians are sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit. People in the OT, and people who will be going through the tribulation, were not sealed with the Holy Spirit.

First post, gotta jump in somewhere.. :)
 
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throughfaith said:
Do you think the diciples had faith in his blood before he went to the cross? Do you think they understood the cross , if so please show some verses that they understood the cross prior ?
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Thats a different discussion, in any case they were saved by His Blood !
 
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brightfame52 said:
False, People Christ died for were reconciled to God while enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10
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It says he reconciled the world to himself in 2cor 5.19 ..We need to then understand what " reconciled " means in that context before we go to " universalism " .
 
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VARob said:
Everyone has always been saved by faith. In the OT, and in the book of Revelation, people were (and will be) required to demonstrate their faith. In the OT they were required to keep the law. In Revelation it explicitly states that they must "endure to the end". Saul lost the Holy Spirit, and did evil in the sight of the Lord. After David sinned, he prayed to God not to take the Holy Spirit from him.

Throughfaith is right. Christians are sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit. People in the OT, and people who will be going through the tribulation, were not sealed with the Holy Spirit..

First post, gotta jump in somewhere.. :)
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Amen
 
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God reconciled the world through Christ's atoning work . Thats the message of reconciliation we share. That everyone's sins have been dealt with and he died for them . But unless they RECEIVE the atonement they will not be glorified. Only those that RECEIVE Jesus benefit from the work on the cross. Calvinism teaches another message .
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Not everyone, some will die in their sins, and are condemned already Jn 3 18 they cant be reconciled
 
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brightfame52 said:
Not everyone, some will die in their sins, and are condemned already Jn 3 18 they cant be reconciled
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Your going to a verse in John 8 which is old testament, before the cross to make a conclusion after the cross ?
 
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brightfame52 said:
Not everyone, some will die in their sins, and are condemned already Jn 3 18 they cant be reconciled
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If they RECIEVE the reconciliation that Jesus has already achieved for them they will be glorified. Through faith . Faith is the access to the grace .
 
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Your going to a verse in John 8 which is old testament, before the cross to make a conclusion after the cross ?
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Dont make no difference, and i used a passage from the epistles, you dont pay attention
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
Then why was David worried when he prayed to not take the Holy Spirit from him ?
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Because no one was ever promised the HS in the OT, Saul had it yet rejected God, that should show you things were different

david never feared losing salvation, he feared losing the Hs to help him rule Israel,
 
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throughfaith said:
Where did i say that? Stay focused on what I actually say .
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You said they could lose salvation

that means salvation would have to be earned

thats works man

you focus on what you think and see the flaw in what your saying
 
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If they RECIEVE the reconciliation that Jesus has already achieved for them they will be glorified. Through faith . Faith is the access to the grace .
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Those Christ died for were reconciled while enemies and unbelievers.
 
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throughfaith said:
I guess they didn't need to bother doing the sacrifices then ?
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Who did sacrifices from the time Babylon destroyed the temple until it was restored under the Medes? Where those people lost

once again, the blood of bull and goat NEVER took away sin

look up the word never
 
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