Some things about the law that need explaining.
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Not that I am aware of, but I have already posted on what repentance really meant in the context of Jesus's first coming to Israel here.
https://christianchat.com/threads/some-things-about-the-law-that-need-explaining.196401/post-4451727
For us, we need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4). If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
2 Cor 5
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
This is the Commission given to the Body of Christ by Paul. Let me know at which part do you see "repentance of sin".
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That seems to happen a lot in here. People come in preaching things no one has ever heard before. You wonder where they come from
For someone to say they believe the gospel but never repented is an oxymoron. Also for someone to say they truly repented but do not believe the gospel is also an oxymoron.
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Amen, like someone saying the new covenant which restors man king to life with Christ has nothing to do with the cross
Don’t misquote me, what I objected was your doctrine that the cross equals the new covenant
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Which is doing exactly what I said.
the new covenant is what restores man king to God
you claim it is not the cross. When the cross is the very root and foundation of the new covenant
It is thru the cross that God could cut a new covenant with Israel, when they repent and believe in Christ as their Messiah.
Because Israel rejected the Holy Spirit in Acts 7 when they stoned Stephen, the cross also became the way in which all of us gentiles can be saved thru their fall (1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 11:11).
But the cross is not equivalent to the new covenant. We in the Body of Christ are saved thru the cross, but God did not cut any covenant with us, old nor new.
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The old covenant said cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word given. It required perfection, if perfection was not attained. Then the sin had to be paid for by the sacrificial lamb, which as paul said in hebrews. Could never take away sin
so as soon as the old covenant was given, it was fading away, because it was powerless. It pointed to the new covenant, which is the cross, in this covenant. All sin is paid in just one sacrifice, the sacrifice of the Son of God on the cross. The requirement of the old covenant was not achievable, (for all have sinned and fall short) the gift of the new covenant is receivable. For he who knew no sin (achieved the requirement of the old covenant, by confirming and obeying every word) became sin for is that we might be made the righteousness of Christ through him.
for it is by grace we have been saved (for those of us who are saved it is a completed and ongoing fact) by grace through faith, and not of ourselves (the old covenant) lest anyone should boast
so as soon as the old covenant was given, it was fading away, because it was powerless. It pointed to the new covenant, which is the cross, in this covenant. All sin is paid in just one sacrifice, the sacrifice of the Son of God on the cross. The requirement of the old covenant was not achievable, (for all have sinned and fall short) the gift of the new covenant is receivable. For he who knew no sin (achieved the requirement of the old covenant, by confirming and obeying every word) became sin for is that we might be made the righteousness of Christ through him.
for it is by grace we have been saved (for those of us who are saved it is a completed and ongoing fact) by grace through faith, and not of ourselves (the old covenant) lest anyone should boast
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The new covenant is for everyone while yes it is new to Isreal it is offered to all
your not saved apart from the new covenant.
That is where we disagree. We are saved thru the cross, after Israel's fall (Romans 11:11)
Just as the old covenant was made with Israel, the new covenant will also be made with them (Hebrews 8:8)
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Read my post concerning the new vs old covenant
ninevah Was saved through the cross. They did not have to wait for Israel to fall. Where do you come up with this stuff? It’s dangerous
I have provided all the scripture references in my posts.
Scripture did not say Ninevah was saved, only that they repented, and no cross was mentioned anywhere in that account.
While Nineveh did repent after hearing Jonah’s preaching, the city, centuries later, returned to heathenism and was eventually overrun by its enemies (prophesied in the book of Nahum). I don't understand why people want to use them as an example of gentile salvation.
The Almighty doesn't deliver promises to a people without covenanting with them first. He's a God of relationships.
1) A covenant is established and promises are made.
2) That covenant is then cut with blood, where the sacrifice is killed and the blood is sprinkled onto the people receiving the covenant.
3) And then at a later time that covenant is confirmed with a full receipt of the promise(s) made.
OT Covenant: Book of the law; blood of bulls sprinkled on the people; the kingdom of Israel established later on.
NT Covenant: Law written on hearts & sins forgiven; blood of Messiah shed on cross and covers the recipients; kingdom of God to be established in future.
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The only covenant recorded and referenced in all the pages of the NT, with all of the features of forgiveness of sins, Messiah's blood from cross sprinkled, spiritual gifts, writing law on hearts, etc) is the one made with Israel & Judah (Heb 8:8).
So this means one of three things:
A) either gentiles have replaced Israel & Judah (replacement theology, which we both agree is false)
B) or gentiles gain access to become part of Israel & Judah proper to partake in the promises (that being the great secret revealed to Peter in his dream before meeting Cornelius)
C) or the Almighty is a liar and - just like a man - will change His word if He is wronged (......but we know The Living "God is not a man that He should like nor a son of man that he should change his mind") (Num 23:19).
...see what I mean?
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So because ninevah returned to heat he is, those who were saved at the preaching of jonah are not saved?
really man, you need to listen to yourself,
In the first place, Scripture never stated they were ever saved.
You should follow your own advice in your last paragraph too.
The way you phrase your 3 options, I see that you have the doctrine that gentiles have become Israel. That is why you like to see the promises to the nation Israel being promises to us too.
That is understandable, the words after Hebrews 8:8 until the end of the chapter, are very comforting and do sound like something that we would like to have been promised to us too.