The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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ForestGreenCook

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eternally-gratefull said:
Please get off your unregenerate man stuff

the HS comes to convict the world of sin righteousness and judgment, he helps them to understand. he has to. or else there is no way a person can chose to receive gods gift, or continue to reject it.

God will not send people to eternal damnation, they send themselves there, because they have not believed, not because God decided to send them to hell just because (your view)

again, your own argument is your own issue, you said you believe God would not do it yet your belief states exactly what you state you do not believe

contradictory.
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The fact (truth of scriptures) is that God gave man the freedom to choose out how he wants to live his life as he sojourns here on earth.

By God's foreknowledge he saw that man choose not to seek God, therefore God choose an elect people to adopt as his children and had his Son to pay for the sins of those elect people that would not seek him.

His elect people were born into this world burdened with the sin of Adam and choose not to seek him, until he quickened them to a new spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ForestGreenCook said:
The fact (truth of scriptures) is that God gave man the freedom to choose out how he wants to live his life as he sojourns here on earth.

By God's foreknowledge he saw that man choose not to seek God, therefore God choose an elect people to adopt as his children and had his Son to pay for the sins of those elect people that would not seek him.

His elect people were born into this world burdened with the sin of Adam and choose not to seek him, until he quickened them to a new spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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He Bible does not say this.

your making things up

and you have God sending people to hell, against your own belief system, when he could have saved them
 
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Funkus

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i thought Jesus said we must be born again (John 3:3) to be saved. eternal punishment is not what we are being saved from, we are being saved from the human condition which leads to death. eternal punishment is our idea of what that looks like, but it's influenced by the human condition we are in. The whole system of divine justice is infinitely above our comprehension, but we are told that God is love to assure us that there is no possible contradiction in God's ultimate Holiness as to how it all works
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Funkus said:
i thought Jesus said we must be born again (John 3:3) to be saved. eternal punishment is not what we are being saved from, we are being saved from the human condition which leads to death. eternal punishment is our idea of what that looks like, but it's influenced by the human condition we are in. The whole system of divine justice is infinitely above our comprehension, but we are told that God is love to assure us that there is no possible contradiction in God's ultimate Holiness as to how it all works
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If I may, I’f this is true, then we would not die physically. Did I misunderstand you?
 
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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
It says we

scripture says we are those who have been saved

scripture says we have been saved by grace through faith

so yes, scripture supports what I said.

my point was that passage you have says we, it does not say what made them a group of “we”. So using it to support your theory does not work, because it does not explain who we are, as you suggest
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How were they redeemed from the curse of the law according to Gal 3:13 ?
 
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How were they redeemed from the curse of the law according to Gal 3:13 ?
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Gal 3: 13 says Christ redeemed, us, I agree with that

gal 3: 2 tells us how we received the spirit

2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

you remove faith from the equation
 
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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
Gal 3: 13 says Christ redeemed, us, I agree with that

gal 3: 2 tells us how we received the spirit

2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

you remove faith from the equation
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How did they get redeemed according to Gal 3:13 ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How did they get redeemed according to Gal 3:13 ?
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I answered you

christ redeemed them

but Gal 3:2 says how. you can’t remove vs 2 from the conversation

christ redeemed them by becoming the curse

the law was supposed to lead them to Christ. By faith, which is why paul asked how they recieve the spirit by works of the law or by faith as those are the only two options
 
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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
I answered you

christ redeemed them

but Gal 3:2 says how. you can’t remove vs 2 from the conversation

christ redeemed them by becoming the curse

the law was supposed to lead them to Christ. By faith, which is why paul asked how they recieve the spirit by works of the law or by faith,
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Incomplete answer, exactly how did Christ redeem them according to Gal 3:13 ?
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
How were they redeemed from the curse of the law ? Is being redeemed from the curse of the law being saved ?
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When the law was ' taken out the way ' . All Jesus did is not going to benefit anyone unless they recieve . John 1.12
 
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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
How were they redeemed from the curse of the law ? Is being redeemed from the curse of the law being saved ?
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Well if the curse of the law causes death, then being redeemed would cause life would it not?

Thats called regeneration by the way
 
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brightfame52

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throughfaith said:
When the law was ' taken out the way ' . All Jesus did is not going to benefit anyone unless they recieve . John 1.12
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Im going to ask you once more. How were they redeemed from the curse of the law according to Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
Incomplete answer, exactly how did Christ redeem them according to Gal 3:13 ?
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Gal 3 13 does not tell them how.

it tells them by who, Christ redeemed them does not tell you how. by taking the curse in how place, it is not a complete picture, you can not remove vs 2 from the equation.


you need to stop trying to tell people what to do, and accusing them and open your eyes to what they are saying
 
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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
Well if the curse of the law causes death, then being redeemed would cause life would it not?

Thats called regeneration by the way
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Is to be redeemed from the curse of the law, means to be redeemed from the penalty of sin ? Saved from the penalty of sin ? Yes or No
 
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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
Im going to ask you once more. How were they redeemed from the curse of the law according to Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
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And you can ask 1000 times, it still will not prove your point
 
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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
Gal 3 13 does not tell them how.

it tells them by who, Christ redeemed them does not tell you how. by taking the curse in how place, it is not a complete picture, you can not remove vs 2 from the equation.


you need to stop trying to tell people what to do, and accusing them and open your eyes to what they are saying
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If you cant answer that simple question, no sense in e wasting my time with you on that verse.
 
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