The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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You have a very low opinion of our Lord's Kingdom. The Gentiles rule with corruption. Democracy is rampant while not one government recognizes a Theocratic Monarchy. More than 40 wars are in progress. Poverty and sickness are rife. There is no justice in the various courts of law. Murder, rape and Sodomy, mixed with slavery and sex-traffic are rampant. The rich exploit the poor. And in the Church where our Lord IS King, the situation is totally apostate with corruption, injustice. love of the world, love of money, cults, false teachings and divisions, which the Lord said are a sign of "carnality", are rife. Whereas the Lord only recognizes ONE Church per city or town, in most western cities there are more than 200 different Churches.
Added to this, our Lord says at His trial that His Kingdom was not of this "arrangement of things" (kosmos) and nothing has changed in the world since then. Then, in Ephesians, written some 30 years after our Lord's death and Pentecost, the Holy Spirit writes that Satan is "prince of the power of the air" and that far from being subject, we must fight against him. In 96 AD five of seven Churches are apostate. Then, in Revelation 11 we have a sequence of events. The Beast reigns in Jerusalem (not yet fulfilled). Two Witnesses testify against him. They are slain, resurrected and Raptured. A Great earthquake rock the city. AND ONLY AFTER THIS does it say that the Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord Jesus.
As I said, you have a very poor opinion of the King. It is predicted that He would rule the Nations with a rod of iron. Where is that rod of iron? Most countries have dome away with the death penalty. They break the Covenant of Noah daily - and God does nothing. Where is that rod of iron. Has God failed?
The answer is, of course, that although the Church is the Kingdom of Christ, it is (i) still being built, (ii) told to submit to Gentile rulership, (iii) told not to fight with men, (iv) told to give away its goods, (v) turn the other cheek and (vi) told to submit to persecution. The Kingdom of the Church is in disarray and the Kingdom of God has not yet been set up on earth.
Added to this, our Lord says at His trial that His Kingdom was not of this "arrangement of things" (kosmos) and nothing has changed in the world since then. Then, in Ephesians, written some 30 years after our Lord's death and Pentecost, the Holy Spirit writes that Satan is "prince of the power of the air" and that far from being subject, we must fight against him. In 96 AD five of seven Churches are apostate. Then, in Revelation 11 we have a sequence of events. The Beast reigns in Jerusalem (not yet fulfilled). Two Witnesses testify against him. They are slain, resurrected and Raptured. A Great earthquake rock the city. AND ONLY AFTER THIS does it say that the Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord Jesus.
As I said, you have a very poor opinion of the King. It is predicted that He would rule the Nations with a rod of iron. Where is that rod of iron? Most countries have dome away with the death penalty. They break the Covenant of Noah daily - and God does nothing. Where is that rod of iron. Has God failed?
The answer is, of course, that although the Church is the Kingdom of Christ, it is (i) still being built, (ii) told to submit to Gentile rulership, (iii) told not to fight with men, (iv) told to give away its goods, (v) turn the other cheek and (vi) told to submit to persecution. The Kingdom of the Church is in disarray and the Kingdom of God has not yet been set up on earth.
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It says we
scripture says we are those who have been saved
scripture says we have been saved by grace through faith
so yes, scripture supports what I said.
my point was that passage you have says we, it does not say what made them a group of “we”. So using it to support your theory does not work, because it does not explain who we are, as you suggest
scripture says we are those who have been saved
scripture says we have been saved by grace through faith
so yes, scripture supports what I said.
my point was that passage you have says we, it does not say what made them a group of “we”. So using it to support your theory does not work, because it does not explain who we are, as you suggest