plagues and the Beast

[luigi]

In Revelation 9:20, the Lord informs us that the plagues described by the first six angels sounding warnings in chapters 8 & 9 are due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. As the fifth angels sounding warning is that in which the beast shall ascend from the bottomless pit; the first four plagues preceding the beasts ascension can then be realized ushering the need for a new world order under the beast.
And as the beasts ascension is in association with the abomination of desolation in the Olivet discourse; we then see that prior to the abomination of desolations appearance in alliance with the beasts ascension, that there will have been famines, wars, pestilences, and other dire situations due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.
Let's now focus on the current pestilence Covid 19 that is occurring throughout the world. While most of the industrialized nations of the world are providing their citizens who are no longer working, with rent and food subsidies; here in the U.S., unless our legislatures act soon, there will be many millions, if not tens of millions of people out on the street. While this current pandemic may soon be addressed here in the U.S. to care for our citizens, just like many other nations are currently taking care of their own citizens; if this, and or another pandemic, or other plague, which are suppose to occur as the Olivet discourse and Revelation 8 & 9 indicate, and thereby continue to decimate the worlds economies, as is currently taking place; I then recognize the reason why the world will welcome the beasts new world order, when far fewer people are earning a living than there are today.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

 

[luigi]

In Revelation 9:20, the Lord informs us that the plagues described by the first six angels sounding warnings in chapters 8 & 9 are due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. Upon the fifth angels sounding warning, a falling star whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon which translated means the Destroyer, is given the key to the bottomless pit and opens it. From this bottomless pit ascends the beast (Revelation 17:8). Prior to the beasts ascension from the bottomless pit, (which is another description for the sea from which the beast shall ascend), the first four plagues resulting from the love mankind has for the things his hands produce, cause 1/3 of all of earth's environmental resources to be destroyed. We therefore now see that prior to the beasts ascension from the bottomless pit/the sea, the world's inhabitants will be experiencing dire situations.

Adding further substantiation to this scenario is that as the beasts ascension is in association with the abomination of desolation in the Olivet discourse; we then see that prior to the abomination of desolations appearance that there will have been famines, wars, pestilences, and other dire situations, which the Lord refers to as the beginning of sorrows.

Let's now focus on the current pestilence Covid 19 that is occurring throughout the world. Here in the U.S., tens of millions of people are now unemployed, while throughout the rest of the world, there are hundreds of millions, if not a billion or more individuals who are out of work. Covid 19, has wrecked the economies of many nations thus far, and is only one of the many beginning of sorrows set to occur prior to the abomination of desolations appearance in alliance with the beast. By the time the beast shall ascend from the bottomless pit/the sea, the world will be on the lookout for any new world order that will rectify all the plagues that will have been occurring throughout the world. However, as mankind will still not repent from the love for the things their hands produce (currently through the use of fossil fuels), mankind will therefore welcome the power the dragon, who is the Destroying star of the bottomless pit, provides the beast causing its ascension from the bottomless pit/the sea.

The power the dragon will provide the beast is fusion, which will be touted as a clean energy alternative to that of fossil fuels, but whose results in which global genocide will be initiated (Revelation 9), and whose environmental results are those in Revelation 16, will be realized more destructive than will have been fossil fuels.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Ahwatukee]

In Revelation 9:20, the Lord informs us that the plagues described by the first six angels sounding warnings in chapters 8 & 9 are due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. As the fifth angels sounding warning is that in which the beast shall ascend from the bottomless pit; the first four plagues preceding the beasts ascension can then be realized ushering the need for a new world order under the beast.
And as the beasts ascension is in association with the abomination of desolation in the Olivet discourse; we then see that prior to the abomination of desolations appearance in alliance with the beasts ascension, that there will have been famines, wars, pestilences, and other dire situations due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.
Let's now focus on the current pestilence Covid 19 that is occurring throughout the world. While most of the industrialized nations of the world are providing their citizens who are no longer working, with rent and food subsidies; here in the U.S., unless our legislatures act soon, there will be many millions, if not tens of millions of people out on the street. While this current pandemic may soon be addressed here in the U.S. to care for our citizens, just like many other nations are currently taking care of their own citizens; if this, and or another pandemic, or other plague, which are suppose to occur as the Olivet discourse and Revelation 8 & 9 indicate, and thereby continue to decimate the worlds economies, as is currently taking place; I then recognize the reason why the world will welcome the beasts new world order, when far fewer people are earning a living than there are today.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Hello Luigi!

First of all reason that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be poured out on the inhabitants of the earth will because they have rejected God offer of salvation through His Son. The wrath of God will take place because of people will have continued to willfully living according to the sinful nature, which is what is meant by the worship of devils, idols of gold and silver, etc., etc. You can add haughtiness, arrogance and pride to that list.

Also, Covid-19 is not apart of the seals, because the first seal rider on the white horse which figuratively represents the antichrist, has not yet been revealed.

 

[luigi]

Hello Luigi!

First of all reason that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be poured out on the inhabitants of the earth will because they have rejected God offer of salvation through His Son. The wrath of God will take place because of people will have continued to willfully living according to the sinful nature, which is what is meant by the worship of devils, idols of gold and silver, etc., etc. You can add haughtiness, arrogance and pride to that list.

Also, Covid-19 is not apart of the seals, because the first seal rider on the white horse which figuratively represents the antichrist, has not yet been revealed.

I have the Lords Word in Revelation 9:20 attributing the plagues in Revelation chapters 8 & 9 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.

I would be careful by adding to the Word with conjectures that are not supported by the Word in Revelation; where those who do so will experience the plagues written in this book (Revelation 22:18).

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

[Ahwatukee]

I have the Lords Word in Revelation 9:20 attributing the plagues in Revelation chapters 8 & 9 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.

I would be careful by adding to the Word with conjectures that are not supported by the Word in Revelation; where those who do so will experience the plagues written in this book (Revelation 22:18).

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Yes, I'm well aware of God's word regarding adding and taking away. However, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will come for the same reason and not individual reasons, which you have listed. Rev.9:20 just happen to list a few. If every sin was listed in chapter 9, Revelation would be much bigger. Those listed are the examples of the sinful nature. They will be coming because of sin, period and the rejection of His Son. The Day of the Lord, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, also mentions that it will be because of the pride and arrogance of the haughty, but is not restricted to those reasons any more that Revelation 9:20 is. The wrath of God is coming because these below and more, including the reasons mentioned in Rev.9:20 and elsewhere:

"Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience."

 

[luigi]

Yes, I'm well aware of God's word regarding adding and taking away. However, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will come for the same reason and not individual reasons, which you have listed. Rev.9:20 just happen to list a few. If every sin was listed in chapter 9, Revelation would be much bigger. Those listed are the examples of the sinful nature. They will be coming because of sin, period and the rejection of His Son. The Day of the Lord, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, also mentions that it will be because of the pride and arrogance of the haughty, but is not restricted to those reasons any more that Revelation 9:20 is. The wrath of God is coming because these below and more, including the reasons mentioned in Rev.9:20 and elsewhere:

"Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience."

The sinful nature you speak of are in Revelation 9:21, which result from the love mankind has for the things his hands produce in Revelation 9:20. It's idolatry/materialism (the love for the things industry produces) that bring about the sins in Revelation 9:21.

You also stated that the rider of the white horse in Revelation 6 represents the Antichrist, but without providing any substantiating evidence with correlating scriptures. In contrast to an unsubstantiated assumption, I look for correlations in scriptures to verify what something may or may not represent.
As the first horseman is given the authority to conquer nations, I then recognize the fourth beast with ten horns in Daniel 7, who devours the whole earth, while treading down and stomping on the residue, as the conqueror of nations. From the ten horns of the fourth beast rises a little horn. This little horn, who in the following chapter casts the truth of the angels to the ground and stomps all over it, I recognize as the Antichrist.
You are therefore correct in your assumption that the first rider of the white horse is the Antichrist.

 

[posthuman]

I would be careful by adding to the Word with conjectures that are not supported by the Word in Revelation

yeah i agree.

do you think the current pandemic is worse than the black plague was?

 

[luigi]

yeah i agree.

do you think the current pandemic is worse than the black plague was?

No I do not think that the Covid-19 pandemic is currently worse than was the black plague death. Nor do I think that the Covid-19 pandemic to be currently worse than the 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic. But those plagues weren't associated with the plagues in Revelation 8 & 9 that are due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce during the end times, which today are produced primarily through fossil fuels.
We therefore believe we are currently in the end times in which the beginning of sorrows events in the Olivet discourse are underway, which include pestilences such as is Covid-19, or that we are not in the beginning of sorrows events, and that once Covid-19 is behind us, everything will go back to what the world knows and is comfortable with.
I believe the former, and that even if Covid-19 does not mutate into a more deadly pestilence; I still believe there are more dire events to be with us, as these are the beginning of sorrows (a.k.a., the day of the Lord), where the Lord has commenced shaking, not only the earth, but heaven as well (Hebrews 12:26-27). The devil and his angels will then be shaken out of heaven (Revelation 12:9).

What about yourself, do you believe we are in the beginning of sorrows just prior to the appearance of the abomination of desolation, or do you believe, once Covid-19 is over, things will then revert to what we are more familiar with?

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The sinful nature you speak of are in Revelation 9:21, which result from the love mankind has for the things his hands produce in Revelation 9:20. It's idolatry/materialism (the love for the things industry produces) that bring about the sins in Revelation 9:21.

You also stated that the rider of the white horse in Revelation 6 represents the Antichrist, but without providing any substantiating evidence with correlating scriptures. In contrast to an unsubstantiated assumption, I look for correlations in scriptures to verify what something may or may not represent.


As the first horseman is given the authority to conquer nations, I then recognize the fourth beast with ten horns in Daniel 7, who devours the whole earth, while treading down and stomping on the residue, as the conqueror of nations. From the ten horns of the fourth beast rises a little horn. This little horn, who in the following chapter casts the truth of the angels to the ground and stomps all over it, I recognize as the Antichrist.
You are therefore correct in your assumption that the first rider of the white horse is the Antichrist.

I also look for correlating scriptures. I don't assume anything, but address all related scriptures. Then there is the information that the Spirit reveals. I would also add, that the first seal rider on the white horse is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11-16 which is the Lord.