Some things about the law that need explaining.
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.
Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"
G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.
Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"
Don’t need Greek when I’ve got the perfect and pure words of God in English.
please see post #177
the author of Hebrews quotes Exodus 24:8 in Hebrews 9:19-20
in Exodus Moses says "covenant" per KJV
in Hebrews, quoting this, KJV puts "testament"
either KJV is wrong in one of these verses or covenant = testament
So you never wear blended cloth? You know, rayon, acrylic or spandex? Or a cotton blend? Because that is the law. And he who fails to keep one law, is condemned for breaking one law. That is why the OT commands are finished. Even the Decalogue (10 Commandments) is rarely mentioned in the OT. Just twice! I'm not say they are bad rules. I think they give us a good direction in what to do. But, we are not condemned by breaking one. Because the law is obsolete! Here is ALL of Hebrews 8. It says the same thing in the whole chapter. The Old Covenant is done, obsolete! The New Covenant is not just better, but, Superior!
"Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:1-13
You are wrong! The Old Covenant was for Jews, and because even God's chosen people could not keep it, God always had his real plan - the incarnation and atonement! Verse 9 above notes it was a worthless covenant, because he knew before creation that the REAL PLAN was Jesus. - crucified for our sins. Sacrificed for all of us, not just the Jews. He had this plan long before he called the Jews. The only real function of the Jews was never to create a permanent covenant with the Jews, based on the law. The law only foreshadows what is to come - and that is Jesus!! And the OT is about a blood line, for Jesus! Jesus is the purpose to reading the OT. I read the Old Testament a lot. I look for Jesus there, and I find him all the time. You seem to read the Old Testament and get side-tracked with the Law, instead of Jesus.
The whole Bible is the Revelation of Jesus, not just the last book of the Bible. The unveiling starts in Genesis 3. It continues with prophecies that point to Jesus, and the ancient Israelites knew the Messiah was the focus, although they did not recognize him when he came, because they were also too busy following their Law, and not seeing he was right there.
You are never going to convince anyone you are right. I know you love Jesus, but this extra-Biblical revelation you have is causing you to teach heresy. Be careful! Being half right is dangerous. You undermine the sovereignty of God and Christ, when you continue to live by the Law. You are actually disobedient to the Word, and to God, by not re-examining why you are wrong, repenting of it, and going in the right way.
If I follow your logic, here is sozo.
Strong's G4982 - sōzō
The KJV translates Strong's G4982 in the following manner: save (93x), make whole (9x), heal (3x), be whole (2x), miscellaneous (3x).
to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
- one (from injury or peril)
- to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
- to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
- to save in the technical biblical sense
- negatively
- to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment
- to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance
- negatively
In your denial of all covenants except one, you even deny that there is a rainbow. A rainbow is a sign of a covenant, and it is a physical sign.
Physical blessings for obedience is in the first covenant. All the commands that are physical were cancelled with the new covenant, but there was no cancellation given of the law or the blessings. In fact the very covenant statement tells us the new covenant includes the law.
Old covenant: This is the old covenant, found in Deuteronomy: Duet: 28: 1 “If you indeed obey the Lord your God and are careful to observe all his commandments I am giving you today, the Lord your God will elevate you above all the nations of the earth. 2 All these blessings will come to you in abundance if you obey the Lord your God:
Please note these blessings do not include salvation that only comes through Christ but has never come through obedience.
New covenant: Jerimiah: 31: 33
‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
The same law is given but in a completely new way, not with rules and physical commands, but through the holy spirit, directly into our hearts. But the blessings given us in the old covenant was not taken away.
Good heavens to Bettsy, because this a symbol of not mixing with pagan ideas as given in the old testament, now I am ACCUSSED of using that to not allow myself to use blended fabrics, accused of denying the new covenant. Come on, it it beneath you to do that.
I read this in you post, and didn't bother with the rest, it is nonsense.
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What’s nonsense is you claiming we should follow,Gods commands and his law. Yet pick and chose what parts you will follow and what parts do not relate to you
it does. to save is to save -- the only difference is what peril, malady or doom one is being saved from, which is a difference in the indirect object of the verb, not a difference in the meaning of the word, or even in it's usage.
in the context of our faith, we talk about being 'saved' without mentioning the indirect object from which we are being saved because the meaning is implicit by our speaking of the faith.
The word of God is the truth....
We can say what sounds good or what we want to believe but the truth is Gods word.
Can you prove what you are saying from the word of God. If not it has no weight or power.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Understand that there is more than one law in the bible.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Please explain how a law defines sin and the same law was added because of sin? Impossible, they must be different laws. the same law can not define sin and be added after sin.
We can say what sounds good or what we want to believe but the truth is Gods word.
Can you prove what you are saying from the word of God. If not it has no weight or power.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Understand that there is more than one law in the bible.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Please explain how a law defines sin and the same law was added because of sin? Impossible, they must be different laws. the same law can not define sin and be added after sin.
Actually the KJV uses the words "testament" and "covenant" interchangeably for the Greek word diatheke. And in all cases blood was shed to ratify both the Old and the New Covenants. Even the Abrahamic covenant required the sacrifice of animals.
nevertheless, you are deflecting. we aren't talking about 'sozo' we're talking about diatheke, which means covenant/testament.
in Hebrews 8-9 the author speaks of two diatheke, one old and one new which supplants the old -- and with abundant unmistakable context and quotation, the old diatheke is the one given through Moses to Israel at Sinai & Horeb. translators into the pagan foreign language called 'English' decided to substitute a different word for diatheke in some places than they did in other places, but their decisions do not change the Word of God, which calls this new diatheke every bit as much a diatheke as the diatheke given with commandments engraved in stone and written by the hand of a mediator in the wilderness. Hebrews doesn't say one is a diatheke and the other isn't, and Paul and the other apostles are ministers appointed by God of that new diatheke which went out to the whole world, proclaiming sozo both to Jew and Gentile alike -- a new diatheke in the blood of Christ that includes Israel and Judah but is not exclusive to Israel & Judah, for in Him there is no longer Jew nor Greek nor Barbarian, but the two are made one, the division being broken down.
Heaven won't have a Jewish quarter. One flock, One Shepherd.
We all heard of Christians who were never healed.
My point is that just because both, salvation from hell and physical healing came from the same Greek word sozo, it will be silly to conclude that "both must therefore mean the same thing".
Some of us believe that Israel will be dwelling on the Earth, while the Body of Christ will be in Heaven, during the 1000 year millennial reign.
now you are making yourself sound like if the prosperity gospel isn't real, there is no salvation.
congratulations.
on the other hand, some of us believe Jesus Christ.
One flock, One Shepherd
(John 10:16)
I have no idea how you arrived to that conclusion, from "it will be silly to conclude that "both must therefore mean the same thing".