Why have the Sign Gifts Ended
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We can look at passages that mention 'baptism' but do not say 'in water', and then read that the baptism was in water to get a since of the word 'baptism.' If you ask a Jewish person about a mikveh without asking if they were mikveh'ed into the word or the Spirit, they are going to assume you mean water.
Let's take a look at Mark 7,
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Who would think this means baptism without water?
There are other scriptures
John 3
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
John 4
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Is it reasonable to think that there was no water involved? The disciples were already baptizing in water as early as this.
Peter used water when he baptized
Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
So did Philip,
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Have you been baptized with water?
Let's take a look at Mark 7,
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Who would think this means baptism without water?
There are other scriptures
John 3
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
John 4
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Is it reasonable to think that there was no water involved? The disciples were already baptizing in water as early as this.
Peter used water when he baptized
Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
So did Philip,
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Have you been baptized with water?
The childish nature of your questions. You wish to play word games taking advantage of the English translations of the Greek.
Tongues are languages. Interpretation of those languages in the modern era is a learned gift. Apostolic tongues and interpretation were given by the Holy Spirit in a unique fashion. Such unique gifts have ended. Ecstatic utterances were never apart of biblical tongues not the modern concept of praying in tongues.
There are no new prophets or apostles. If you wish to play word games with prophecy taking advantage of translational matters that is up to you. Prophecy as in giving new or unique revelation has ended. Prophecy as in teaching forth the delivered word of God continues.
You antics may be tolerated in the house church but in the greater body of Christ not so much.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tongues are languages. Interpretation of those languages in the modern era is a learned gift. Apostolic tongues and interpretation were given by the Holy Spirit in a unique fashion. Such unique gifts have ended. Ecstatic utterances were never apart of biblical tongues not the modern concept of praying in tongues.
There are no new prophets or apostles. If you wish to play word games with prophecy taking advantage of translational matters that is up to you. Prophecy as in giving new or unique revelation has ended. Prophecy as in teaching forth the delivered word of God continues.
You antics may be tolerated in the house church but in the greater body of Christ not so much.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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What exactly are you after here? You are putting words in my mouth and I doubt you would like someone to do that to you. I said nothing about any attacking me personally. I clearly stated that notuptome was attacking anything pertaining to tongues.
I'm starting to think that it might be YOU that is offended. As for me, I would say this thread is going just about par for the course as it does in any forum when this subject comes up. Kindly don't try to answer for me. Just ask. Don't talk about me to someone else as if I were not able to respond.
I'm starting to think that it might be YOU that is offended. As for me, I would say this thread is going just about par for the course as it does in any forum when this subject comes up. Kindly don't try to answer for me. Just ask. Don't talk about me to someone else as if I were not able to respond.
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So the church is weak?
I probably should be offended you think my church, which is strong. And leads many to Christ, and is a pillar of the community and its members used mightily by God is weak because no one speaks in tongues. But I am strong I do not get offended when someone disagrees with me or think I am being attacked. I could which you felt the same way about your power in Cheist.
but like many tongues speakers. You speak of power, yet lack any true evidence of it, if you had real power, me or anyone else not believing on tongues would mean anything to you.
I probably should be offended you think my church, which is strong. And leads many to Christ, and is a pillar of the community and its members used mightily by God is weak because no one speaks in tongues. But I am strong I do not get offended when someone disagrees with me or think I am being attacked. I could which you felt the same way about your power in Cheist.
but like many tongues speakers. You speak of power, yet lack any true evidence of it, if you had real power, me or anyone else not believing on tongues would mean anything to you.
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I'm not doing a back and forth with you. I'm straightforward and don't care to get caught in a net you have made up. You have the Bible and you can believe or not believe. It is YOUR choice.
I see you like to make false claims. Kindly find someone who enjoys defending themselves against false accusations. That would not be me.
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You could have fooled me
I see no one attacking tongues, I see people who have a disagreement. And as usual, tongues people being offended and claiming they are attacked
i am not offended. Thats ridiculous why would I be offended? I feel Gods power and havewitnessed it.. maybe that offends you because prophesy and tongues were not involved?
I see no one attacking tongues, I see people who have a disagreement. And as usual, tongues people being offended and claiming they are attacked
i am not offended. Thats ridiculous why would I be offended? I feel Gods power and havewitnessed it.. maybe that offends you because prophesy and tongues were not involved?
