Are we still suppose to keep all Ten Commandments?
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The 10 commandments underpin service to Jesus in all we do. They haven't been done away with. When someone joins a church to serve in one.. the 10 commandments are the base of all the acts of service.
Look at things like looking after widows.. discipling others .. sharing the faith.. I am sure you'll find commandments directly supporting them.
The key thing tho.. is the commandments in obeying them aren't how someone is converted by Jesus. They are part of the path to walk in to follow Him once set on it.
Failing on the path doesn't undo the conversion because it wasn't following the 10 commandments that got the person converted.
So what is nailed to the cross is having to do self effort and works to be converted. But once converted, continuing faith in Jesus is thru loving Jesus and His commands.
Look at things like looking after widows.. discipling others .. sharing the faith.. I am sure you'll find commandments directly supporting them.
The key thing tho.. is the commandments in obeying them aren't how someone is converted by Jesus. They are part of the path to walk in to follow Him once set on it.
Failing on the path doesn't undo the conversion because it wasn't following the 10 commandments that got the person converted.
So what is nailed to the cross is having to do self effort and works to be converted. But once converted, continuing faith in Jesus is thru loving Jesus and His commands.
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I like your view and I want to add and clarify that i started this post because some believe the 10 commandments are nailed to cross and no longer valid and a curse. What was done away with was the condemnation for sin by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom. 7:8 I thank God through Jesus Christ our lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of GOD; but with the flesh the law of sin. Notice the distinction two separate laws quoted in that verse. Rom. 8:1-9 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the spirit the things of the spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of GOD, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But yea are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. I think that clearly states we are free from sin and death and no longer under that curse which Jesus's sacrifice fufilled. To say Gods righteous Laws which are a blessing are a curse and nailed to cross is heresy. Heb. 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of god; 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the LORD; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. I think this explains beautifully how god reconciled us through his sacrifice and perfects us through his spirit in the new covenant which the failure of the old covenant wasn't gods commandments but that we were weak in the flesh. John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
All law is nailed to the cross, for there is no law that we won't be forgiven for through Christ. That does not negate our need to walk with the Lord in our hearts after we are forgiven. Why would we, as forgiven people free of sin, want to sin? It is enough that through our being born in sin we can't escape it even when we try, but it doesn't mean not to try.
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Not these Laws. Psalms 119 (ALEPH) Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the lord. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no inequity: they walk in his ways. 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently. 5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes! 6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. 7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments. 8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly. (BETH) 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word. 10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments. 11 Thy word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against thee. 12 Blessed art thou, O Lord: teach me thy statutes. 13 With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth. 14 I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches. 15 I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways. 16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word. Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
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You are reading that when the law is nailed to the cross it means the law is no more? I don't think it means that. I think when it is nailed to the cross, then the cross takes care of the law in us. Christ said He and the Father are one, so one could not disagree with the other. Christ takes care of our sin through the cross or in other words our sin is nailed to the cross. John 3:4 I quoted explains this.
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The whole Law. Let me explain why.
Israel have a Covenant of Promise, made 430 years earlier that the Covenant of Law at Horeb. This first Covenant PROMISES to give the seed of Abraham a Land. But once they came into this Land they were to (i) host the presence of the Almighty, and (ii) live a certain way before the nations surrounding them. The Covenant of Law primarily caused Israel to be ritually clean to serve a Holy God. Secondly, it cased them to live in a way that did not pollute the earth as the Canaanites did, and thirdly it was a testimony of God's righteousness and subsequent blessing before the Nations.
But Israel did not keep the Law. They were UN-holy before a Holy God, they defiled the Land with idols, sexual offenses and violence, especially against the weak, and they displayed Satan's unrighteousness rather than God's righteousness. They took the habits and traditions of the heathen around them. God chastised and chastised them and finally ejected them from the Land.
The New Testament presents a totally different scene. Here, God raises up a People, not to dwell WITH them, but to dwell IN them. No longer would the Law be enough to make a man righteous enough to host a Holy God LIVING IN HIM. It is one thing to be near God. He can always put up a Curtian, or Veil, but to have Him IN us is totally another thing. So God, to deal with the problem of the flesh, does TWO things;
But there is another problem. The New Man that God raised up is made from EX-Gentiles and Ex-Jews (the "TWO" of Ephesians 2:15). But the Law of Moses forbids the Jew from having any relations with the Gentiles. This would destroy the unity in the Church that Jesus prayed for in John 17:21-23. So our Lord Jesus takes the Law onto the cross with Him. This means that if you are a Jew, and REJECT Jesus, the Law is still valid for you. If you are an EX-Jew who has embraced the work and Person of Christ, the Law is dead, gone, abolished. Why do I say "EX-Jew?" It is because 2nd Corinthians 5:17 says that if you are IN Christ, your past is wiped out. Everything is New! So Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11 show that there is NO ETHNICITY in the New Man. There are only EX-Jews and EX-Gentiles in the New Man.
The objection will at once arise that Israel are under another Covenant - that made with Abraham for the Land of Canaan, AND ETHNICITY IS EVERYTHING - seeing as it entitles one to a Covenant and its promises. This, God takes care of in the same sovereign way. By making us IN Christ. Galatians 3:28, as shown above, denies any ethnicity in the New Man. But the very next verse, verse 29 shows how by being Christ's - Who is the Promised Seed of Abraham (v.16) - we are made HEIRS. That is, those in Christ have their ethnicity wiped out, but get a NEW ONE - the Top and Chief Seed of Abraham, Jesus. And not only are both believing Jew and believing Gentile made seed of Abraham by being Christ's, but the Promise is expanded from Canaan to the "the whole world" (Rom.4:13).
But now that Law is abolished, how shall the Christian live. Romans 8 tells us. Christ has come to live in us. He is that Spirit of John 7:39 and 1st Corinthians 15:45. He speaks from our spirit where He dwells - on ALL MATTERS. Shall you kill. Be lead by the Spirit in your spirit. Should you forgive a certain man. Ask the Spirit in your spirit. How long should your hair be? Ask the Spirit. Should you be a missionary, or which woman should you marry? Ask the Spirit. Are you allowed to watch TV and/or drive a Mercedes Benz. Can you have a whiskey on your birthday? Is my dress too long or too short? AS THE SPIRIT IN YOUR SPIRIT. In this way, your LIFE will be dictated to by THE LIFE of Christ IN YOU. To one he allows 20 failures and then chastises. To another He only allows 5. To one He gives 10 talents, to another He gives 5. Christ, together with His perfect life, dwells in you and that is your LAW - the "Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus". Moses gave about 20 Laws. The New Testament has 2,400 commands. Your daily life over ten years might require 5,000 answers. They should all be in accordance with Christ IN YOU.
As Summary;
The Law is good, spiritual and God-given (Rom.7)
The Law is ONLY GIVEN TO ISRAEL
The Law could not make a man holy because the man was weak
God allowed His Son to be under Law and establish a perfect righteousness that a fallen man could not
God IMPUTES this righteousness to a Believer
The Jew is still under this Law, but the Believer is not
Any Believer who places him/herself under the Law is saying that Christ's life was inadequate for righteousness
Any Believer who says this defies God Who has approved this righteousness
Any believer who defies God's appraisal of Christ insults both God and Jesus
Any believer who uses Law has (i) fallen from GRACE, and (ii) made the work of Christ OF NONE EFFECT
No man can be justified by Law
Israel have a Covenant of Promise, made 430 years earlier that the Covenant of Law at Horeb. This first Covenant PROMISES to give the seed of Abraham a Land. But once they came into this Land they were to (i) host the presence of the Almighty, and (ii) live a certain way before the nations surrounding them. The Covenant of Law primarily caused Israel to be ritually clean to serve a Holy God. Secondly, it cased them to live in a way that did not pollute the earth as the Canaanites did, and thirdly it was a testimony of God's righteousness and subsequent blessing before the Nations.
But Israel did not keep the Law. They were UN-holy before a Holy God, they defiled the Land with idols, sexual offenses and violence, especially against the weak, and they displayed Satan's unrighteousness rather than God's righteousness. They took the habits and traditions of the heathen around them. God chastised and chastised them and finally ejected them from the Land.
The New Testament presents a totally different scene. Here, God raises up a People, not to dwell WITH them, but to dwell IN them. No longer would the Law be enough to make a man righteous enough to host a Holy God LIVING IN HIM. It is one thing to be near God. He can always put up a Curtian, or Veil, but to have Him IN us is totally another thing. So God, to deal with the problem of the flesh, does TWO things;
- He sends His Son Jesus to die for the sins of men so that He could have judicial grounds to forgive our offenses
- He sends His Son Jesus to be a Man under Law to fulfill it and establish a perfect righteousness for a Man
But there is another problem. The New Man that God raised up is made from EX-Gentiles and Ex-Jews (the "TWO" of Ephesians 2:15). But the Law of Moses forbids the Jew from having any relations with the Gentiles. This would destroy the unity in the Church that Jesus prayed for in John 17:21-23. So our Lord Jesus takes the Law onto the cross with Him. This means that if you are a Jew, and REJECT Jesus, the Law is still valid for you. If you are an EX-Jew who has embraced the work and Person of Christ, the Law is dead, gone, abolished. Why do I say "EX-Jew?" It is because 2nd Corinthians 5:17 says that if you are IN Christ, your past is wiped out. Everything is New! So Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11 show that there is NO ETHNICITY in the New Man. There are only EX-Jews and EX-Gentiles in the New Man.
The objection will at once arise that Israel are under another Covenant - that made with Abraham for the Land of Canaan, AND ETHNICITY IS EVERYTHING - seeing as it entitles one to a Covenant and its promises. This, God takes care of in the same sovereign way. By making us IN Christ. Galatians 3:28, as shown above, denies any ethnicity in the New Man. But the very next verse, verse 29 shows how by being Christ's - Who is the Promised Seed of Abraham (v.16) - we are made HEIRS. That is, those in Christ have their ethnicity wiped out, but get a NEW ONE - the Top and Chief Seed of Abraham, Jesus. And not only are both believing Jew and believing Gentile made seed of Abraham by being Christ's, but the Promise is expanded from Canaan to the "the whole world" (Rom.4:13).
But now that Law is abolished, how shall the Christian live. Romans 8 tells us. Christ has come to live in us. He is that Spirit of John 7:39 and 1st Corinthians 15:45. He speaks from our spirit where He dwells - on ALL MATTERS. Shall you kill. Be lead by the Spirit in your spirit. Should you forgive a certain man. Ask the Spirit in your spirit. How long should your hair be? Ask the Spirit. Should you be a missionary, or which woman should you marry? Ask the Spirit. Are you allowed to watch TV and/or drive a Mercedes Benz. Can you have a whiskey on your birthday? Is my dress too long or too short? AS THE SPIRIT IN YOUR SPIRIT. In this way, your LIFE will be dictated to by THE LIFE of Christ IN YOU. To one he allows 20 failures and then chastises. To another He only allows 5. To one He gives 10 talents, to another He gives 5. Christ, together with His perfect life, dwells in you and that is your LAW - the "Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus". Moses gave about 20 Laws. The New Testament has 2,400 commands. Your daily life over ten years might require 5,000 answers. They should all be in accordance with Christ IN YOU.
As Summary;
The Law is good, spiritual and God-given (Rom.7)
The Law is ONLY GIVEN TO ISRAEL
The Law could not make a man holy because the man was weak
God allowed His Son to be under Law and establish a perfect righteousness that a fallen man could not
God IMPUTES this righteousness to a Believer
The Jew is still under this Law, but the Believer is not
Any Believer who places him/herself under the Law is saying that Christ's life was inadequate for righteousness
Any Believer who says this defies God Who has approved this righteousness
Any believer who defies God's appraisal of Christ insults both God and Jesus
Any believer who uses Law has (i) fallen from GRACE, and (ii) made the work of Christ OF NONE EFFECT
No man can be justified by Law
Jesus was the total fulfilment of the OT Law. We live in Christian Liberty now. We live according to the spirit of the Law, not the letter. The spirit of the Law is summed up in this...
Luke
10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Luke
10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
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The Holy Spirit who indwells believers does not express a desire to sin and keep on sinning. I have never met a single Christian who believed or taught that we can sin and do whatever we want. So perhaps the Christians you are referring to live mostly in your imagination or on message boards.
Which Christians are you referring to when you say your post is for them? There is a world of difference between saying we are no longer judged by the law and stating the commandments are not valid.
Which Christians are you referring to when you say your post is for them? There is a world of difference between saying we are no longer judged by the law and stating the commandments are not valid.
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