Is it OK to work for the Lord?
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Also feigning persecution and pulling a victim card if there's any criticism towards her position. Her heart might be in the right place but no one is questioning her heart towards God here, criticism is about if the teaching is correct. This is the same chronic problem in communication and we can't ALL be the bad guys like you said. If you want to be a teacher be ready to face criticism with Scripture and not be so easily offended.
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Amen, if you made a mistake own up to it, continuing to play the victim when your the guilty one just hurts your own case.
I have no problem agreeing to disagree with people. Sadly for some reason far To many in the church must be programmed or something that when someone accuses you of something just turn the tables and discredit them, instead of owning up to your mistake.
this is almost as bad as being trained to look for key words and when you see them being trained what the person believes and how to react. instead of just listening to what the person is saying
I have to wonder as prevalent as it is, if satan did not have something to do with inserting this into some churches thinking and it is passed down to the people
I have no problem agreeing to disagree with people. Sadly for some reason far To many in the church must be programmed or something that when someone accuses you of something just turn the tables and discredit them, instead of owning up to your mistake.
this is almost as bad as being trained to look for key words and when you see them being trained what the person believes and how to react. instead of just listening to what the person is saying
I have to wonder as prevalent as it is, if satan did not have something to do with inserting this into some churches thinking and it is passed down to the people
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Yes, the Lord is exact, but never extreme. For example works. Some list verse after verse against it because it is only working through the Lord that is right. This extreme position is to discount working. The extreme on the other hand is to count our works as our salvation. God is for balance. The truth in the Lord is just right.
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This is just what I have posted over and over, that playing the victim instead of being honest just hurts your case!!
You have not been injured, if you were honest you would address the issued, not how you are SO abused. The issue is about works, not your injuries. Your posts makes me the issue, making posts of slanders at my personally, not addressing the issues.
You have not been injured, if you were honest you would address the issued, not how you are SO abused. The issue is about works, not your injuries. Your posts makes me the issue, making posts of slanders at my personally, not addressing the issues.
Big AGREE.
I see work as getting myself out of God's way. I don't think it's "me" who's working. I kind of "abstained" from doing what God doesn't like so He could use me, if that makes sense. This is consistent with the core concepts of lying our life down, crucifixion, mortifying the flesh, baptism unto death and so on. There are other Scriptures as well such as "I must decrease" and "I will give you rest" and also "he who entered into His rest, rested from his own works like God did from His". So we're not really working, rather we're resting from our own works (emphasis on "our own"), so it's really God in action, we're a proper vessel.
I see work as getting myself out of God's way. I don't think it's "me" who's working. I kind of "abstained" from doing what God doesn't like so He could use me, if that makes sense. This is consistent with the core concepts of lying our life down, crucifixion, mortifying the flesh, baptism unto death and so on. There are other Scriptures as well such as "I must decrease" and "I will give you rest" and also "he who entered into His rest, rested from his own works like God did from His". So we're not really working, rather we're resting from our own works (emphasis on "our own"), so it's really God in action, we're a proper vessel.
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you are the issue
you preach obedience while continuing to sin against others. You still refuse to acknowledge your sin against me
i do not need a case, your your own worse enemy.
you claim I slander your personality
ypu slander people and refuse to fess up
keep it up maam, keep it up
you preach obedience while continuing to sin against others. You still refuse to acknowledge your sin against me
i do not need a case, your your own worse enemy.
you claim I slander your personality
ypu slander people and refuse to fess up
keep it up maam, keep it up
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Meh, some folks around here turn every disagreement into a personal attack. I find it to be in poor character, a weakness really. Emotionally driven.
By the way I disagree with you about the works relationship to salvation. Faith is trust, intellectual ascent is not trust, however it is necessary for trust.
By the way I disagree with you about the works relationship to salvation. Faith is trust, intellectual ascent is not trust, however it is necessary for trust.
To me these are biblical truths we need to know in our heart and soul.
I think our Father is a God of balance, and we are keep this in mind at all times. If we only have these things in our hearts to overpower what the 119th Psalm tells us about God law, then we are using scripture to be out of balance. If we only looked at law through the lens of the 119th Psalm, and refused to listen to these warnings, we would be out of balance in the other way. I think that a knee jerk reaction to anything that is positive about the law is out of balance, just as the only reaction to these scripture would be out of balance if only the 119th psalm was the response.
I think our Father is a God of balance, and we are keep this in mind at all times. If we only have these things in our hearts to overpower what the 119th Psalm tells us about God law, then we are using scripture to be out of balance. If we only looked at law through the lens of the 119th Psalm, and refused to listen to these warnings, we would be out of balance in the other way. I think that a knee jerk reaction to anything that is positive about the law is out of balance, just as the only reaction to these scripture would be out of balance if only the 119th psalm was the response.
the old testament law is not balanced with the law of Christ they are two seperate covenants . The old covenant law is fulfilled Because everyone sinned the law concluded everyone had to be put to death that’s the end of the law .
one could keep the entire law of Moses flawlessly and they could
Not be saved because they would be obeying a law that is dead and brings nothing but the knowledge of sin .
the truth is that the old covenant law is not the law of God for his people it is given to sinners to hold them guilty and sentence them to death . There’s no balance in that there are two covenants we belong to the new and eternal covenant the things that Jesus taught not the things moses taught
They don’t go together brother they can’t they are contrary Moses taught “ the law shall be an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth a life for a life “ Jesus taught “ the law shall be turn the other cheek at offense , bless those who curse you , do
Not take revenge and go eye for eye and offense for offense “
how does one balance two points that are contrary “ take equal revenge when someone wrongs you vs. when someone wrongs you do not take revenge but do not take any revenge and pray for them instead “
those two things have no balance there is one and then there is the other . If I obey moses and take equal revenge when someone wrongs me , I would be transgressing the truth the law of the spirit of God , the word of Christ the lord
to understand it we need to look back at that priesthood and understand the Levite’s are responsible for the law of Moses . What was before that and after that is our priesthood and covenant . For instance we see the law was for the sinners not the righteous as Jesus explains why moses taught a different command about marriage and divorce than he did
Moses taught “( Deuteronomy 24:1-2) if you get married and aren’t happy with your wife simply wrote a divorce certificate and send her away then you may both remarry “ so the Pharisees tried to see what Jesus would say of this law of Moses
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
the things moses taught in the law came as a result of mans sin
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
it’s not the truth of God it came as a result of sin , the truth of God was before the law that’s what Jesus is teaching in the gospel the things that man was created to Know before they had sin because the gospel is not about a sinner being holy . It’s about a sinner dying with Jesus Christ to the law and being born again as Man was intended to be before the knowledge of good and evil corrupted our minds and hearts and requires a sinners law that’s not what the gospel is it’s the children of Gods “ law”
the psalms speak forward about Christ and his truth . About the law he was going to send out from Jerusalem to the world , the gospel notice Jesus didn’t say “ go preach Moses law to all the earth whoever believes will be saved “ ?
we need to let the things Jesus taught change our minds from the things the law taught for example the law of marriage is not able to be balanced one says one thing , the other says another .
“ eye for an eye “ ? Or turn the other cheek ?
one could keep the entire law of Moses flawlessly and they could
Not be saved because they would be obeying a law that is dead and brings nothing but the knowledge of sin .
the truth is that the old covenant law is not the law of God for his people it is given to sinners to hold them guilty and sentence them to death . There’s no balance in that there are two covenants we belong to the new and eternal covenant the things that Jesus taught not the things moses taught
They don’t go together brother they can’t they are contrary Moses taught “ the law shall be an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth a life for a life “ Jesus taught “ the law shall be turn the other cheek at offense , bless those who curse you , do
Not take revenge and go eye for eye and offense for offense “
how does one balance two points that are contrary “ take equal revenge when someone wrongs you vs. when someone wrongs you do not take revenge but do not take any revenge and pray for them instead “
those two things have no balance there is one and then there is the other . If I obey moses and take equal revenge when someone wrongs me , I would be transgressing the truth the law of the spirit of God , the word of Christ the lord
to understand it we need to look back at that priesthood and understand the Levite’s are responsible for the law of Moses . What was before that and after that is our priesthood and covenant . For instance we see the law was for the sinners not the righteous as Jesus explains why moses taught a different command about marriage and divorce than he did
Moses taught “( Deuteronomy 24:1-2) if you get married and aren’t happy with your wife simply wrote a divorce certificate and send her away then you may both remarry “ so the Pharisees tried to see what Jesus would say of this law of Moses
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
the things moses taught in the law came as a result of mans sin
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
it’s not the truth of God it came as a result of sin , the truth of God was before the law that’s what Jesus is teaching in the gospel the things that man was created to Know before they had sin because the gospel is not about a sinner being holy . It’s about a sinner dying with Jesus Christ to the law and being born again as Man was intended to be before the knowledge of good and evil corrupted our minds and hearts and requires a sinners law that’s not what the gospel is it’s the children of Gods “ law”
the psalms speak forward about Christ and his truth . About the law he was going to send out from Jerusalem to the world , the gospel notice Jesus didn’t say “ go preach Moses law to all the earth whoever believes will be saved “ ?
we need to let the things Jesus taught change our minds from the things the law taught for example the law of marriage is not able to be balanced one says one thing , the other says another .
“ eye for an eye “ ? Or turn the other cheek ?
I haven't read this entire thing, I hope it gets better as it progresses. I got as far as "the old testament law is not balanced with the law of Christ", as if Christ and the Father are not one. Then it went on to that Christ fulfilled the law, Christ did not fulfill all that was spoken of him? Oh My. In a way Christ fulfilled the law in that through Christ we are forgiven of breaking the law, but other than that how in the world could Christ have fulfilled the law so the law is not needed any more? That wipes out the entire 119th Psalm, pages of scripture.
Christ told us He didn't come to get rid of anything, not a jot of the law.
The Lord doesn't tell us one thing in Genesis and another completely in the new testament, scripture is truth from beginning to end. The law was given to us via rules in stone in the old testament, the very same law was not changed under the new covenant, it was given to us in our hearts. It was possible to obey the letter of the law as it was in the old testament and disobey the true law as the Pharisee disobeyed the law of the Sabbath by withholding love. Under the new covenant the law is given (the SAME law, but in our hearts so we know it must be with love.
Christ told us He didn't come to get rid of anything, not a jot of the law.
The Lord doesn't tell us one thing in Genesis and another completely in the new testament, scripture is truth from beginning to end. The law was given to us via rules in stone in the old testament, the very same law was not changed under the new covenant, it was given to us in our hearts. It was possible to obey the letter of the law as it was in the old testament and disobey the true law as the Pharisee disobeyed the law of the Sabbath by withholding love. Under the new covenant the law is given (the SAME law, but in our hearts so we know it must be with love.