If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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Just because someone is in a house with you does not mean, that you know what they are doing, or if they are talking to someone else, Just because Eve was in the Garden with Adam, does not mean that they was close enough to know what the other one was doing, I would think that the Garden was way bigger then any house, Adam was not deceived, Adam knew that Eve would haft to die if Eve eat of the tree of knowledge, Would you let your Wife eat something that would kill her. or your Child, And knowing that it was going to kill them, And the thing to think about is that Adam did not even want to live with out Eve, Adam loved Eve enough that knowing that it was going to kill HIM, that Adam wanted to die if Eve was GOING to DIE, No I think that you are miss under standing what GOD is saying, Knowing That it would kill Eve, He would have stop Eve from eating, I think it is all right in the BIBLE, you just haft to use the whole BIBLE to see what GOD is saying,
Satan use her to get HIM to disobey GOD, What do you call that, Just like Job wife told Job why don't you just curse GOD and Die, Who told HIS wife, that Satan said to GOD, that Job would Curse GOD to HIS face, Satan working in HER mind talked to Job, just like Peter, YESUAH told Satan get behind me, Satan was speaking through Peter, Satan Works through our MINDS to get done what wants, and to destroy other people,
YOU just don't know how Satan works in our Minds, And Satan likes that because it makes it easy for HIM to use you or me or anyone that don't know that Satan will speak through us if we do not bridle our tongue,
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.
That is why we haft to bridleth the Tongue,
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.
That is why we haft to bridleth the Tongue,
Like I said It Makes it Easy for Satan to use US' And I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD, You Mite say something that will hurt my fillings, BUT I look to GOD and HIS WORD for my HELP And straight, People that stand on what the Word of GOD says is NEVER LIKE, THE word of GOD show us that they are never like YESUAH AND ALL the Prophets, All of the disciples. ALL the disciples killed for standing on GOD'S WORD, BUT John, And they tried to kill HIM, BUT GOD had more WORK for JOHN to DO.
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I don't care if I hurt your 'fillings'. Your gospel is not biblical. We are not under the law. Jesus fulfilled the law ON OUIR BEHALF which you cannot seem to grasp, and He is our High Priest before God pleading our innocence through His shed blood on the cross.
I have seen other Sabbath worshippers in this forum, but I have to say that they do often enough speak some truth along with their mistaken Sabbath worship.
I cannot say the same for you.
I have seen other Sabbath worshippers in this forum, but I have to say that they do often enough speak some truth along with their mistaken Sabbath worship.
I cannot say the same for you.
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This says nothing whatsoever that Eve becoming an enemy of Adam. So, if your spouse irritates you and as a result you swear at the spouse and thus sinning, this spouse is now your enemy? You can either forgive each other or hold a grudge and become enemies. Adam chose to disobey God of his own free will. By your logic, which is unspiritual, in most if not all marriages the spouses are mutual enemies. Personally, I believe that forgiveness and reconciliation is preferable in marriage rather than holding a grudge.
i really don't think you are correct.
Adam was not deceived. if Adam had been present when the Serpent deceived Woman, that would put him in the position of being deceived.
Adam did not 'blame' Woman & Woman didn't 'blame' Satan. God did not admonish Adam for 'failing to prevent Woman' and God would not accept either one of them without confession & repentance.
they both confessed their sin immediately and factually without making excuses or trying to shift responsibility.
Woman confessed her failure. Adam confessed his. when he says, 'the Woman which you gave to be with me' Adam is certainly not blaming God for tempting him to sin. next time you pray, try telling God that it's God's fault you sinned because of the things God did in your life. see if God accepts that? tell God He Himself is the cause of the evil you do?
Adam was not deceived. if Adam had been present when the Serpent deceived Woman, that would put him in the position of being deceived.
Adam did not 'blame' Woman & Woman didn't 'blame' Satan. God did not admonish Adam for 'failing to prevent Woman' and God would not accept either one of them without confession & repentance.
they both confessed their sin immediately and factually without making excuses or trying to shift responsibility.
Woman confessed her failure. Adam confessed his. when he says, 'the Woman which you gave to be with me' Adam is certainly not blaming God for tempting him to sin. next time you pray, try telling God that it's God's fault you sinned because of the things God did in your life. see if God accepts that? tell God He Himself is the cause of the evil you do?
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Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat
(Genesis 3:6 YLT)
it's literally 'her husband with her' -- which can be understood as 'with her' in the sense that now they both have eaten, rather than 'with her' in the sense that they are both standing together listening to Satan and staring at the tree. KJV et al put 'her husband who was with her' interpretively, not literally.
i know we've talked about this before and we're not *exactly* on the same page -- just making my own case here.
1 Timothy 2:14-16 says Woman was first in transgression, and Adam was not deceived.
if Adam is standing right there listening to Satan & watching his wife believe his lies, and Adam is 'guilty' for failing to prevent this from happening, for failing to prevent her from reaching out and taking the fruit, for not doing the good he knew to do by rebuking Satan's lie -- then Adam is in transgression before Woman is, or Adam is deceived along with her. either case contradicts 1 Timothy so neither can be true.
ergo Adam was not there beside Woman when she was deceived and took the fruit. there's a space of time between her taking and then giving some to her husband -- he didn't pick what he ate from the tree; she gave it to him. she gave it to him 'with her' in the sense that there she is with fruit, finds Adam, says something to him ((God said later, 'because you listened to your wife')) and gives him fruit too, so that then they 'together' have fruit.
what she says to him doesn't deceive him. what she says to him, he listens to, and decides with full knowledge to join her in eating.
IMO she says something to the effect of 'save me' -- and then Adam, like Job, becomes guilty of justifying himself rather than God, thinking, if he joins her in transgression that God will save both of them, but if he leaves her in death, she will be destroyed and he will be left. he chooses death, thinking, he can save her by doing this. Adam isn't guilty of failing to save Woman. he is guilty of believing he can effectively be her savior by joining her in sin -- he listened to her, and what she asked him to do was wrong.
whose idea are the fig leaves, and why does Adam give up on them, answering God as soon as God calls 'where are you?'
Adam isn't cursed, but Jesus curses the fig tree for being fruitless after He saw it's leaves. Adam, i infer, had fruit that Israel didn't. Adam answered, repenting of the fig-leaf-covering as soon as he heard the voice of God calling, looking to Him for mercy.
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Bud if Adam is guilty of failing to prevent Woman then Adam is first in transgression. that contradicts 1 Timothy 2:14
if Adam was tricked by Satan or if Adam was tricked by Woman that makes Adam deceived, which contradicts 1 Timothy 2:16
neither one of these can be true.
it is profound that sin entered the world through Adam even though Woman was first to have sinned. Romans 5:12
this is because there was a point where Woman comes to him, and they face each other, and she speaks to him. at that point death & sin are in her and there is no death and no sin in Adam. Adam then has a choice to make -- join her in sin, or abandon her to death -- and Adam, undeceived, knows this. he is not an idiot. he is not a moron. he is not unaware.
Adam is a figure of Christ ((Romans 5:12-21)) -- we come to Christ with sin, and He is sinless. we stand before Him as His own bride, in need of Him to save us. out of love for his wife, Adam chose to die with her. out of love for His Bride, Christ saves us by dying in our place.
the Last Adam is infinitely greater than the first; the first being only a shadow, and the Last being the substance.
if Adam was tricked by Satan or if Adam was tricked by Woman that makes Adam deceived, which contradicts 1 Timothy 2:16
neither one of these can be true.
it is profound that sin entered the world through Adam even though Woman was first to have sinned. Romans 5:12
this is because there was a point where Woman comes to him, and they face each other, and she speaks to him. at that point death & sin are in her and there is no death and no sin in Adam. Adam then has a choice to make -- join her in sin, or abandon her to death -- and Adam, undeceived, knows this. he is not an idiot. he is not a moron. he is not unaware.
Adam is a figure of Christ ((Romans 5:12-21)) -- we come to Christ with sin, and He is sinless. we stand before Him as His own bride, in need of Him to save us. out of love for his wife, Adam chose to die with her. out of love for His Bride, Christ saves us by dying in our place.
the Last Adam is infinitely greater than the first; the first being only a shadow, and the Last being the substance.