Are the Earliest Manuscripts the Best?

[KJV1611]

They both read the same to me?
How does NASB say another time?

The subject of the sentence in all versions is the people who are raised. In the NASB "these" point to the subject. The NASB has all of those who are raised from the dead obtaining eternal life but the ones who weren't raised from the dead, everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, <<<<<< these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

 

[breno785au]

The subject of the sentence in all versions is the people who are raised. In the NASB "these" point to the subject. The NASB has all of those who are raised from the dead obtaining eternal life but the ones who weren't raised from the dead, everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, <<<<<< these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

Seems like the 'these' is referring to the those found in the book referred to in verse one.

 

[KJV1611]

Seems like the 'these' is referring to the those found in the book referred to in verse one.

The ones that were raised to eternal life were the ones written in the book of life but that's not the point.

"These" in verse 2 points to those that were raised. The NASB makes it seem like the ones that were raised from the dead got eternal life but those who weren't raised from the dead will either be raised at another time in the future, or they will remain in the dust of the earth forever and that is their everlasting contempt.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Seems like the 'these' is referring to the those found in the book referred to in verse one.

He can’t see it

it does say the say, at that time many will raise to everlasting life, but others (those not written) to everlasting contempt

nothing in the NASB suggest they will raise at some other time

when you want to disprove things, you will see things that are not there

 

[Magenta]

The subject of the sentence in all versions is the people who are raised. In the NASB "these" point to the subject. The NASB has all of those who are raised from the dead obtaining eternal life but the ones who weren't raised from the dead, everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, <<<<<< these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

These as the subject refers to God's people only being raised to everlasting life, and the NASB clearly states this, and that the others raised are raised to everlasting contempt. This has been shown to you many times and still you persist in saying it is not so, while you claim no prejudice at the same time.

 

[Magenta]

"These" in verse 2 points to those that were raised. The NASB makes it seem like the ones that were raised from the dead got eternal life but those who weren't raised from the dead will either be raised at another time in the future, or they will remain in the dust of the earth forever and that is their everlasting contempt.

Wrong. "These" in verse two refers back to those in verse one clearly identified as God's people.

Your stubbornness in this matter is dismaying.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

These as the subject refers to God's people only being raised to everlasting life, and the NASB clearly states this, and that the others raised are raised to everlasting contempt. This has been shown to you many times and still you persist in saying it is not so, while you claim no prejudice at the same time.

It’s like tryi g to explaining to someone who was taught 2+2=5 that 2 plus 2=4. He trusts the person who told him it was 5 to the end, and no one will convince him it equals 4. No matter what they do

 

[eternally-gratefull]

NASB
everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life,

many will awake these (those who were saved or rescued) to everlasting life

but the others to disgrace and everlasting [contempt

the others raised with them will be raised to everlasting contempt or death

the KJV said the same, just worded different

the KJV said some to eternal life, some to eternal contempt

while the NASB says these to eternal life, others to eternal contempt

if nothing else, the NASB is more precise, it declair s who is raised to eternal life and who does not get eternal death, while the KJV does not differentiate who is who,

 

[KJV1611]

Wrong. "These" in verse two refers back to those in verse one identified as God's people.

Your stubbornness in this matter is dismaying.

I'm not stubborn, I know how to read the English language. Read below and answer the question at the end.

A man threw a party during a time of great trouble in the land. At the time of the party, everyone whose name was on the invitation list could come to the party.

And many that lived in the city came out of their homes, some went to the man's party and some went to another party.

Who went to the man's party, every one whose name was on the invitation?
Or, some of the many that came out of their homes?

 

[Magenta]

I'm not stubborn, I know how to read the English language. Read below and answer the question at the end.

A man threw a party during a time of great trouble in the land. At the time of the party, everyone whose name was on the invitation list could come to the party.

And many that lived in the city came out of their homes, some went to the party and some went to another party.

Who went to the party, every one whose name was on the invitation?
Or, some of the many that came out of their homes?

What is the point of your little pretend scenario here? It does not relate to the NASB passage at all, which clearly identifies "these" as God's people and none other being raised to eternal life. That you persist in insisting it includes the faithless just shows your extreme prejudice, which your denial will not even allow you to admit to. Your prejudice is not even based on anything other than personal preference.

 

[KJV1611]

What is the point of your little pretend scenario here? It does not relate to the NASB passage at all, which clearly identifies "these" as God's people and none other being raised to eternal life. That you persist in insisting it includes the faithless just shows your extreme prejudice, which your denial will not even allow you to admit to. Your prejudice is not even based on anything other than personal preference.

In the resurrection, BOTH the JUST and THE UNJUST are raised, the JUST to everlasting life and the UNJUST to everlasting contempt. Do you not agree with this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is the point of your little pretend scenario here? It does not relate to the NASB passage at all, which clearly identifies "these" as God's people and none other being raised to eternal life. That you persist in insisting it includes the faithless just shows your extreme prejudice, which your denial will not even allow you to admit to. Your prejudice is not even based on anything other than personal preference.

sometimes you just have to laugh, when you go to extremes to prove something that is not true, that’s what you get, it’s sad actually

 

[KJV1611]

NASB
everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life,

many will awake these (those who were saved or rescued) to everlasting life

but the others to disgrace and everlasting [contempt

the others raised with them will be raised to everlasting contempt or death

the KJV said the same, just worded different

the KJV said some to eternal life, some to eternal contempt

while the NASB says these to eternal life, others to eternal contempt

if nothing else, the NASB is more precise, it declair s who is raised to eternal life and who does not get eternal death, while the KJV does not differentiate who is who,

The bible DOES NOT say what I highlighted in red, you say it.

In the resurrection, both the JUST and THE UNJUST are raised from the dead. The JUST are raised to eternal life, the UNJUST are raised to eternal contempt.

 

[KJV1611]

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The NASB says the saved will be raised to eternal life, those not saved (the others) will be raised to eternal contempt

the KJV says many will be raise some to eternal life some to eternal death but does not differentiate.

what’s amazing is they both say only many, not all will be raised, what about the rest?

 

[SoulWeaver]

what’s amazing is they both say only many, not all will be raised, what about the rest?

Thought the exact same thing but was like, maybe I'm reading too much into this... thanks for confirming

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The bible DOES NOT say what I highlighted in red, you say it.

In the resurrection, both the JUST and THE UNJUST are raised from the dead. The JUST are raised to eternal life, the UNJUST are raised to eternal contempt.

actually it does, if you did not CUT my post apart like you always do you would also see I said the same thing you just said,

you continue your nonsense by doing what you usually do making it appear I said one thing, when I actually said something else

you should be ashamed,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thought the exact same thing but was like, maybe I'm reading too much into this... thanks for confirming

I looked up the Hebrew so I could see, it literally means many, a great number, a large number etc etc. in no possible interpretation could it be used to mean all

it appears to point to two resurrections. Not sure how else you could interpret it.

 

[KJV1611]

The NASB says the saved will be raised to eternal life, those not saved (the others) will be raised to eternal contempt

the KJV says many will be raise some to eternal life some to eternal death but does not differentiate.

what’s amazing is they both say only many, not all will be raised, what about the rest?

It says many because the resurrection has absolutely nothing to do with raising dead earthly bodies. The dead bodies rising at the same time as the resurrection was done to baffle those who don't believe the bible for exactly what it says.

 

[KJV1611]

actually it does, if you did not CUT my post apart like you always do you would also see I said the same thing you just said,

you continue your nonsense by doing what you usually do making it appear I said one thing, when I actually said something else

you should be ashamed,

many will awake these (those who were saved or rescued) to everlasting life

When I read that using proper grammar, I read that as the group in parenthesis are "many will awake". Parenthesis go AFTER a statement to bring clarity, not before it.