Hello Butterflyyy!
My God-given pleasure and you are welcome!
The key to understanding end-time events, is to address all related scriptures in order to get the full picture. The problem that I have been encountering is that people are bringing in partial information which they are basing their conclusions on. I can not and could never do that, because I have always wanted to know the truth, regardless of what conclusion it leads to.
This teachings that the church is going to go through the time of God's wrath is due to not understanding the underlying principle of what Christ did for us and not understanding the purpose of God's coming wrath, as well as the severity and magnitude of it.
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
In the scripture above, Jesus says that there are many rooms in His Father's house, which could only be referring to heaven.
Jesus said that He was going there (the Father's house) to prepare places for us (believers). Again, those places that He went to prepare for us would be in the Father's house.
Then He says, I will come back and take you to be where I am. This means that when Jesus ascended to heaven He began preparing places for us in the Father's house which is in heaven and that He is coming back again to get us and take us back to those places that He prepared for us in the Father's house which is heaven. It really irks me when people act like they don't know what this scripture is saying and try to twist it to mean something else, or when they appear to have lost all reasoning and logic to be able to interpret the meaning of the context of simple words.
This promise in John 14:1-3 is directly linked with I Thessalonians 4:13-18 which is the detailed account of when Jesus comes back to take us to the Father's house.
"Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."
So, when Jesus returns to come and take us back to the Father's house, He will descend from heaven to the atmosphere with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God. At that time the dead from the beginning of the church right up to when the Lord appears, will be reanimated and will rise from their graves in their immortal and glorified bodies. Immediately after that, the living will be transformed immortal and glorified in an atomos, which is Greek for a time period to short to be divided and they will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that point the entire church from beginning to end will be in mid air with the Lord, where the entire group will be taken back to the Father's house.
God always leaves clues in His word:
"After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.” - Revelation 4:1
In Revelation 1:10, John heard a loud voice speaking to him that sounded like a trumpet, which is identified as being the Lord. Then in Revelation 4:1, John hears that same voice that sounds like a trumpet saying to him "come up here!" I believe that the "Trumpet call of God" in I Thessalonians 4:16 is synonymous with the voice that sounds like a trumpet in Revelation 4:1. That said, I believe that Revelation 4:1 is a prophetic allusion to the promised gathering of the church given in John 14:1-3 and IThess.4:16-17.
I would also point out that, in the beginning of John 14:1-3, Jesus begins with "Let not your hearts be troubled." Likewise after Paul gives his detailed account of the Lord's appearing to gather His church in I Thessalonians 4:16-18, he says, "therefore, comfort each other with these words." That said, if the church were to go through the time of God's wrath, then our hearts would surely have reason to be troubled. Likewise, there would be no reason to comfort each other with those words if believers were in fact to go through God's wrath.
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Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’
“Lord, where are You going?” Simon Peter asked.
Jesus answered, “Where I am going, you cannot follow Me now, but you will follow later.”
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John 14:1-3, I Thessalonians 4:13-18 & I Corinthians 15:51-53, is when we will follow Him later to be where He is, which is in the Father's house.
My God-given pleasure and you are welcome!
The key to understanding end-time events, is to address all related scriptures in order to get the full picture. The problem that I have been encountering is that people are bringing in partial information which they are basing their conclusions on. I can not and could never do that, because I have always wanted to know the truth, regardless of what conclusion it leads to.
This teachings that the church is going to go through the time of God's wrath is due to not understanding the underlying principle of what Christ did for us and not understanding the purpose of God's coming wrath, as well as the severity and magnitude of it.
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
In the scripture above, Jesus says that there are many rooms in His Father's house, which could only be referring to heaven.
Jesus said that He was going there (the Father's house) to prepare places for us (believers). Again, those places that He went to prepare for us would be in the Father's house.
Then He says, I will come back and take you to be where I am. This means that when Jesus ascended to heaven He began preparing places for us in the Father's house which is in heaven and that He is coming back again to get us and take us back to those places that He prepared for us in the Father's house which is heaven. It really irks me when people act like they don't know what this scripture is saying and try to twist it to mean something else, or when they appear to have lost all reasoning and logic to be able to interpret the meaning of the context of simple words.
This promise in John 14:1-3 is directly linked with I Thessalonians 4:13-18 which is the detailed account of when Jesus comes back to take us to the Father's house.
"Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words."
So, when Jesus returns to come and take us back to the Father's house, He will descend from heaven to the atmosphere with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God. At that time the dead from the beginning of the church right up to when the Lord appears, will be reanimated and will rise from their graves in their immortal and glorified bodies. Immediately after that, the living will be transformed immortal and glorified in an atomos, which is Greek for a time period to short to be divided and they will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that point the entire church from beginning to end will be in mid air with the Lord, where the entire group will be taken back to the Father's house.
God always leaves clues in His word:
"After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.” - Revelation 4:1
In Revelation 1:10, John heard a loud voice speaking to him that sounded like a trumpet, which is identified as being the Lord. Then in Revelation 4:1, John hears that same voice that sounds like a trumpet saying to him "come up here!" I believe that the "Trumpet call of God" in I Thessalonians 4:16 is synonymous with the voice that sounds like a trumpet in Revelation 4:1. That said, I believe that Revelation 4:1 is a prophetic allusion to the promised gathering of the church given in John 14:1-3 and IThess.4:16-17.
I would also point out that, in the beginning of John 14:1-3, Jesus begins with "Let not your hearts be troubled." Likewise after Paul gives his detailed account of the Lord's appearing to gather His church in I Thessalonians 4:16-18, he says, "therefore, comfort each other with these words." That said, if the church were to go through the time of God's wrath, then our hearts would surely have reason to be troubled. Likewise, there would be no reason to comfort each other with those words if believers were in fact to go through God's wrath.
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Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’
“Lord, where are You going?” Simon Peter asked.
Jesus answered, “Where I am going, you cannot follow Me now, but you will follow later.”
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John 14:1-3, I Thessalonians 4:13-18 & I Corinthians 15:51-53, is when we will follow Him later to be where He is, which is in the Father's house.
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