If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

[posthuman]

y little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

why is the law full of sacrifices to cover sins?
was it expected that they would never be necessary? or was it expected that they would be absolutely necessary.
there are daily sacrifices commanded. there are sacrifices required to cleanse the very altar that the subsequent sacrifices are made on, and to purify the priests who will make them. blood, blood, blood everywhere.

we know the law was a schoolmaster ((Galatians 3 again)): what's all that blood and inescapably required atonement supposed to be teaching Israel? that observance of the law would justify them before God?

nope

so this speaks of Christ, emphatically. of salvation by grace through faith, apart from works.
God dismissed their fig leaves as insufficient, shed blood Himself, and made them coverings, Himself. Salvation is not our work but God's ♥

we have an Advocate

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Your grasp of the written English language just crossed the line from unfortunate to ridiculous. It's really difficult to take seriously someone who doesn't care enough to proof-read his posts and who consistently misspells many words. There's no excuse.

I think I have spotted the cause of his theological error. He has one those dollar store irregular Bibles. Like the guy in this video.

I wonder if the Rick James bible has the book of galatoons?

 

[Benadam]

what's moral about ceremonially ceasing from certain physical activities?

I would say it depends on the physical activities. As it pertains to the 7th day rest*who has the authority to nullify a physical act God commanded?

 

[bojack]

They are changing days and laws .. They are using fake covid to shut down churches , and look at thanksgiving now Christmas .. They also want to take down borders and national monuments .. Ring a bell ?

 

[posthuman]

I would say it depends on the physical activities. As it pertains to the 7th day rest*who has the authority to nullify a physical act God commanded?

to your question, reconcile Hebrews 8:13 together with John 13:34. Christ is the LORD manifest in the flesh. there's no issue there.

to my question, you didn't answer it?
so to repeat, not that i agree the Law is actually broken into civil/moral/cermemonial categories -- the Bible seems to me to clearly speak ubiquitously of the Law as an inseparable whole & the breaking apart of it into dismissible segments seems to me a completely human arbitrary tradition -- but even conceding that point for the sake of argument, my question is: what makes the sabbath a moral command?

 

[posthuman]

They are changing days and laws .. They are using fake covid to shut down churches , and look at thanksgiving now Christmas .. They also want to take down borders and national monuments .. Ring a bell ?

i personally know several people who have died from covid. Jesus said explicitly that the true worshippers of God do so neither on this mountain or that mountain but in spirit. neither thanksgiving nor christmas was 'changed dates' or cancelled, nor are they 'laws' and neither those secular holidays nor vain monuments to the glory of men are Biblical.
you can take that garbage back to your conspiracy section; this part of the forum is for Christian things; for the actual Truth.

 

[bojack]

i personally know several people who have died from covid. neither thanksgiving nor christmas was 'changed dates' or cancelled, nor are they 'laws' and neither those secular holidays nor vain monuments to the glory of men are Biblical.
you can take that garbage back to your conspiracy section; this part of the forum is for Christian things.

I know people who tested positive and ''nothing'' .. You claim to be a mathematician , have you seen the death rate percentages ?

 

[posthuman]

I think I have spotted the cause of his theological error. He has one those dollar store irregular Bibles. Like the guy in this video.

I wonder if the Rick James bible has the book of galatoons?

i think he's just not particularly nimble with his fingers and that he's been brought up in a strict KJV-onlyist works-based salvation doctrine, where there was little deep teaching, exploration or exposition of the gospel, and that questioning established tradition was sternly frowned on.

 

[bojack]

i personally know several people who have died from covid. Jesus said explicitly that the true worshippers of God do so neither on this mountain or that mountain but in spirit. neither thanksgiving nor christmas was 'changed dates' or cancelled, nor are they 'laws' and neither those secular holidays nor vain monuments to the glory of men are Biblical.
you can take that garbage back to your conspiracy section; this part of the forum is for Christian things; for the actual Truth.

How can you be faithful to God and not be on watch ?

 

[posthuman]

How can you be faithful to God and not be on watch ?

please to have a look at Matthew 8:33

 

[bojack]

please to have a look at Matthew 8:33

You can't quote your point ?

 

[posthuman]

So GOD destroyed A whole world for nothing, If they didn't have GOD'S LAWS They could not sin

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For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. ​

(Romans 5:13) ​

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this verse proves several things. here's a few of them:

• sin definitely exists without the law.
• the law doesn't 'create sin'
  • re: Romans 5:20 & c.f. Galatians 3:19 -- the law was added because of transgression
    • therefore transgression pre-exists the law
• people & angels can sin/transgress without the existence of the law.
• the law is not from everlasting to everlasting -- there is explicitly a time "before the law"
• the world existed before the law.
• sin existed before the law.

note please @Benadam that as i said earlier, "the law" here is treated as one inseparable unit. neither in Romans nor Galatians does Paul even hint at some kind of differentiation between 'binding law' and 'dismissible law' categories like 'civil' or 'moral' etc.

 

[calibob]

All he did was show he does not understand the issue, people can obey the law, yet still be in sin, they can obey the command, yet still be in sin

they have no comprehension of the root of sin, all they want to do is look at the command,

the flood occurred because the people had reached a state no matter what God did they would not repent (unless God forced them to, which he will not do.

they did not need the law to tell them they were in sin, paul tells us in Romans 1 they knew, but hardened their hearts,

Amen and furthermore, Lets use the Pharisee's for example
. They were so obsessed with the letter of the law that they completely overlooked the or neglected the sprit from which the laws were designed from and by. Mankined was not created to obey the law, that would make us slaves to it. The laws were designed to help mankind remain loyal to God. The law is not God. It never was.

Matthew 12: 1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.

7 If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Jesus Healed on the Sabbath in Matthew 12:9 & 10; Mark 3:1–6; Luke 6:6–11

 

[calibob]

​

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. ​

(Romans 5:13) ​

​

this verse proves several things. here's a few of them:

• sin definitely exists without the law.
• the law doesn't 'create sin'
  • re: Romans 5:20 & c.f. Galatians 3:19 -- the law was added because of transgression
    • therefore transgression pre-exists the law
• people & angels can sin/transgress without the existence of the law.
• the law is not from everlasting to everlasting -- there is explicitly a time "before the law"
• the world existed before the law.
• sin existed before the law.

note please @Benadam that as i said earlier, "the law" here is treated as one inseparable unit. neither in Romans nor Galatians does Paul even hint at some kind of differentiation between 'binding law' and 'dismissible law' categories like 'civil' or 'moral' etc.

The Lord taught in parables so even the minds of children could understand. Hard hearted adults don't but try to twist them into laws until , their spiritual blindness they seem to make sense, to them!

 

[bojack]

I am a protestant but many Catholics ''get it'' ..

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

i think he's just not particularly nimble with his fingers and that he's been brought up in a strict KJV-onlyist works-based salvation doctrine, where there was little deep teaching, exploration or exposition of the gospel, and that questioning established tradition was sternly frowned on.

Of course you are correct, but I couldn't just not post that video there. We all missed the 13th commandment, thou shalt laugh.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I am a protestant but many Catholics ''get it'' ..

#sons of Solomon

 

[shittim]

Good post, thank you!

 

[calibob]

I am a protestant but many Catholics ''get it'' ..

After 4 decades of listening to evangelical and charismatic sermons whoever was doing the homily nearly put me to sleep. I did however manage to stay awake through it. 90 words a min. (radio talk speed). Would have been about right.)

I am empathetic with what he was saying and can say amen to the prayer. I will not be a part of careless endangerment.

 

[Benadam]

my question is: what makes the sabbath a moral command?

Good question. One that turns the cogs.
Because God rescued us from slavery He commanded that we observe His Sabbath. It would be neglecting God and what He is doing for us.