Why have the Sign Gifts Ended
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1) At the beginning of Israel's journey through the wilderness, they needed water, so Moses was commanded to strike the rock to provide the water.
Then there were 40 years of wandering in the wilderness with no other mention of needing water...
At the end of Israel's journey through the wilderness, they needed water again, so Moses was commanded to speak to the rock to provide the water. This rock was given the same name as the first.
Living Water at beginning > time of trial (40 years) > Living Water at ending
2) Zechariah was given a vision of the Word of Yah to Zerubabbel. The vision was:
Olive Tree > Lampstand > Olive Tree
Both trees provided the pure oil that kept the lamps burning. The Word to Zerubabbel was, "not by strength nor by might but by my Spirit...his hands laid the foundation and his hands will finish it, then you will know my name is Yah."
Revelation explains that the lampstands and olive trees represent churches & witnesses.
3) Zechariah was also given another vision, one of the four chariots sent between two mountains:
Bronze Mountain > Four Chariots > Bronze Mountain
A "mountain" represents a government, while "chariots" represent war.
4) There are multiple passages in scripture that explain there is a former rain and latter rain.
Joel 2:23
“Be glad, O children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God, for he has given the early rain for your vindication; he has poured down for you abundant rain, the early and the latter rain, as before.
James 5:7
Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains.
Deuteronomy 11:14
He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the later rain, that you may gather in your grain and your wine and your oil.
Jeremiah 5:24
They do not say in their hearts, ‘Let us fear the Lord our God, who gives the rain in its season, the autumn rain and the spring rain, and keeps for us the weeks appointed for the harvest.’
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I submit to you that the reason why some experience miracles while others do not, is probably because - just like a crop - the anointing oil // living water must be replenished just before the end-time harvest of the earth is brought in.
The Rock was struck (i.e. crucified) at the beginning and then the outpouring of the Power from on High was given, jumpstarting the initial growth of the Ecclesia. Then came the time of trial; 2000 years (i.e. 40 Jubilees) of testing, persecution, and war...and after such a long time some of the crops show signs of a lack of water (which reminds me of the parable of the 10 virgins).
So we probably should expect a 2nd outpouring of the Power from on High - and a return of the miracles on a massive scale - just before this grand drama ends.
Power of Holy Spirit > ~ 2000 years (40 Jubilees) > Power of Holy Spirit
Then there were 40 years of wandering in the wilderness with no other mention of needing water...
At the end of Israel's journey through the wilderness, they needed water again, so Moses was commanded to speak to the rock to provide the water. This rock was given the same name as the first.
Living Water at beginning > time of trial (40 years) > Living Water at ending
2) Zechariah was given a vision of the Word of Yah to Zerubabbel. The vision was:
Olive Tree > Lampstand > Olive Tree
Both trees provided the pure oil that kept the lamps burning. The Word to Zerubabbel was, "not by strength nor by might but by my Spirit...his hands laid the foundation and his hands will finish it, then you will know my name is Yah."
Revelation explains that the lampstands and olive trees represent churches & witnesses.
3) Zechariah was also given another vision, one of the four chariots sent between two mountains:
Bronze Mountain > Four Chariots > Bronze Mountain
A "mountain" represents a government, while "chariots" represent war.
4) There are multiple passages in scripture that explain there is a former rain and latter rain.
Joel 2:23
“Be glad, O children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God, for he has given the early rain for your vindication; he has poured down for you abundant rain, the early and the latter rain, as before.
James 5:7
Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains.
Deuteronomy 11:14
He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the later rain, that you may gather in your grain and your wine and your oil.
Jeremiah 5:24
They do not say in their hearts, ‘Let us fear the Lord our God, who gives the rain in its season, the autumn rain and the spring rain, and keeps for us the weeks appointed for the harvest.’
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I submit to you that the reason why some experience miracles while others do not, is probably because - just like a crop - the anointing oil // living water must be replenished just before the end-time harvest of the earth is brought in.
The Rock was struck (i.e. crucified) at the beginning and then the outpouring of the Power from on High was given, jumpstarting the initial growth of the Ecclesia. Then came the time of trial; 2000 years (i.e. 40 Jubilees) of testing, persecution, and war...and after such a long time some of the crops show signs of a lack of water (which reminds me of the parable of the 10 virgins).
So we probably should expect a 2nd outpouring of the Power from on High - and a return of the miracles on a massive scale - just before this grand drama ends.
Power of Holy Spirit > ~ 2000 years (40 Jubilees) > Power of Holy Spirit
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I agree. And was it also not said "evil and adulterous generation looks for a sign, and sign shall not be given except the sign of Jonah the prophet". So if we go by that, no signs at all . A more careful analysis is required without jumping to conclusions.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
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My point 2 addressed this, as well as my post here https://christianchat.com/threads/why-have-the-sign-gifts-ended.196068/post-4429794
I went to look both up. I understand what's your point of view. But this did not not answer the contradiction. Explain, how what you said works together with Luke 11:29, which says no signs to the adulterous generation period, and with Acts 28:5, which gives a sign to non Jews? You have to be able to reconcile all successfully and harmoniously, not just some verses. And I am not saying I have it worked out because I don't, but I believe that all Scriptures must fit together.
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When Jesus mentioned Luke 11:29, he was criticizing Israel who kept on asking for signs from him. But the entire book of John is specifically to record 8 signs for Israel, so Luke 11:29 cannot be about Jesus not giving Israel ANY sign at all.
As for Acts 28:5, I regard that as more of a miracle than a sign, similar to what can happen nowadays, say with John G Lake for example, who had some people claiming that disease germs who touch his flesh miraculously died. It was not a sign for any purpose.
To be a sign, in the strict sense of what my point 1 is saying, it must be a miracle pointing people to believe that this person is sent by God to them.
As for Acts 28:5, I regard that as more of a miracle than a sign, similar to what can happen nowadays, say with John G Lake for example, who had some people claiming that disease germs who touch his flesh miraculously died. It was not a sign for any purpose.
To be a sign, in the strict sense of what my point 1 is saying, it must be a miracle pointing people to believe that this person is sent by God to them.
There are significant transitions in the way Divine revelation is expressed and Divine power manifests. There is a change when Jesus died. Jesus began the public revelation it continued in a different way through the Apostles. The public revelation ended with them. These are eternal realities that have entered time and history. Temporal reality changes eternal doesn't. The divine powers continue but manifests relative to the temporal condition it is in. There are no eye witnesses chosen by God to reveal Him. That constitutes a change in the manifestation of the divine power. Less authority to wield divine power means it manifests with less of our direction.
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Good point, interestingly, the final verse in Mark stated
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
There are people who interpret this "word" as "the spoken word" rather than the written word.
They believe that once scripture is completed in written form, signs and wonders also fade away, hence they interpret "the perfect" in 1 Cor as the completed scriptures.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
There are people who interpret this "word" as "the spoken word" rather than the written word.
They believe that once scripture is completed in written form, signs and wonders also fade away, hence they interpret "the perfect" in 1 Cor as the completed scriptures.