Yes it’s very important to pay attention to scripture do you have any that support your interpretations there ? I’m sure open to the scripture but I don’t think it actually supports your theory . But I’m open to those scriptures I need to pay attention to so I’ll wait for your response so I can pay attention to those scriptures . Would love to see what you are saying in those scriptures your going to provide
the people from all nations got there by doing this
The entire previous post supports what I was proclaiming. Did you read it? I have posted below the information that I previously listed to support my claim:
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The saints that the beast is given authority to mark war against and to conquer, are the great tribulation saints and not the church. This is the group which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language (Gentiles), who are introduced in Rev.7:9-17. These are those who will become believers in Christ after the church has been gathered off the earth.
The very fact that the elder is asking John who this group is and where they came from, tells us that this is not the church but another group. In addition, John says that he doesn't know who they are and this in light of the fact that he was previously asked to write letters to the seven churches.
If you will notice, the word ekklesia/church is used 19 time throughout chapters 1 thru 3. Then after that, the word changes to hagios translated as saints. No where in chapters 1 thru 3 are the words church and saints used interchangeably. The next time we see the church, she is designated as 'the bride' in Rev.19:6-8 at the wedding of the Lamb. The next time that the word church is used again, is in Rev.22:16.
Jesus took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. Therefore, God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer. Because of this, believers cannot and will not be on the earth to experience God's wrath. Also, God does not punish the righteous with the wicked.
There is a huge difference between the trials and tribulation that Jesus said we would have because of our faith in Him vs. God's unprecedented wrath. Believers are not appointed to suffer the later.
The church will be gathered prior to the opening of the first seal which initiates God's wrath.
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It is a matter of utilizing all related scriptures and paying attention to the clues that God has left in His word.
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
that’s the only way people from all nations can enter into the kingdom . By doing this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s those folks from all nations tongues and people before the throne the church , or “ body of Christ”
all it really is brother is a vision showing the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham
“And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”
Genesis 26:4 KJV
What you are doing is pigeonholing those words. After the church has been gathered, there will still be people from every nation, tribe, people and languages on the earth.
Previously, John was told to write letters to the seven churches. Then in Rev.7:9-17 John sees a group which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language. The elder asks John who they are, which would demonstrate that they are not the church. In further support of this, John says that he doesn't know who this group is. You will also notice that this group is never referred to as the church, but as the saints who come out of the great tribulation.
This group is mentioned after the seals have been opened which would be within the the tribulation period, the time of God's wrath. As I have said so many times, the church is not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, because Jesus already experienced it on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. That group which no man can count, will be on the earth during that time because they will have not been believers prior to the gathering of the church, which is why they will be exposed to everything that will be taking place on the earth. This is also why Jesus and the apostles continually warn believers to be watching and ready for the Lord's appearing, so that day of God's wrath does not close on us like a trap.
Revelation 4:1 is a prophetic allusion to where the church is gathered, which takes place prior to chapter 6 where the seals are opened. Jesus is that voice that sounds like a trumpet saying "come up here." It is after this that we no longer see the word church used. Yet in chapters 1 thru 3 the word 'church' is used 19 times. The word church is never used within the narrative of God's wrath. It is the word 'saints' that is used, which is referring to the great tribulation saints.
the 144000 that are shown before this great multitude from all nations , they are those of the ot only from the tribes of Israel. The gentiles are the great multitude from all Nations. Because it shows both groups is showing this
In Revelation 7, we have to new groups introduced:
1). The 144,000 from each of the twelve tribes, 12,000 from each tribe. These are Israelites who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
2). A great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them Gentiles
The 144,000 are all Israelites from each tribe, who in opposition of the unbelieving nation of Israel, will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
The woman of Revelation 12 who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars is symbolically representing the unbelieving nation of Israel. We know this, because in Genesis 37:9-10, Joseph's dream uses the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars which symbolically represent Jacob, his wife/wives and his sons.
The woman/Israel gives birth to a male child which is a collective name for the 144,000 who come out of unbelieving Israel, ergo, gives birth to.
The next group which are those which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and nation, is that group of Gentiles who will become believers after the church has been gathered, who are identified as those saints who come out of the great tribulation. Again, this group cannot be the church, because the current believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
So, your major error in all of this, is not taking into consideration that the church cannot be present on the earth during the time of God's wrath. Since Jesus has already satisfied God's wrath, then said wrath no longer rests upon the believer, which means that we cannot be exposed to it. Anyone who claims that the church will be on the earth during the time of God's wrath, is truly not believing that Jesus already experienced God's wrath on our behalf.
"Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted.
But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His stripes we are healed."
