Replacement theology.

[eternally-gratefull]

Really!? This is truly disgusting.

You know who killed Christ? YOU DID!!

And I did. And everyone else who has ever lived, or will ever live.

No one took Jesus' life. He laid it down because He loves us, to pay our sin debt.

They claim they did not get this believe because of their hatred of the Jews, yet for some, their hatred speaks volumes

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to agree somewhat. I believe this is much down to all the emotionalism that there is to it. Since jews as a collective have suffered a lot for many centuries and have taking the heat from many sides for such a long time it's easy to have sympathies for them. Yet to come up to such conclusions that the Israel first:ers do in our day is absurd. We have now in our day some jews coming to faith in Christ (in spite of being taught that Christ is "yeshu" (away with him!) and Birkat haMinim, from childhood) and that should be our main concern.

Yes I agree it should be our main concern, as always, the gospel of salvation is to all people jew or greek

but in the same token, we should not disregard the many prophecies that state that God will come for them again, they will repent, and they will be restored to the nation God called them to be, the fact they have been punished now as God prophecies and claimed he would do, and still are to this day should lead us to determine that God will also restore them when they repent, as he also prophecies and claimed he would do.

I do not love Israel any more than I do any other nation or country

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mind boggling if christians support talmudic and kabbalistic schools - and their damnable view on Jesus. Sad to say, but jews as a people and the state of Israel seems to have become an idol for many christians.

I agree with this also. It is no different than christians supporting Muslim schools, or really a false christian church. I believe it is Satan distorting the truth, and many Christians fall head strung.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not all of the Jews in that day were culpable, and none are today.

I agree and I don’t agree

christ died for all of us, thus in reality, we all killed christ

remember, God could have sent his angels, and no one would have touched Jesus, he allowed himself to be killed. So in another reality, no one really killed him,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Being delivered from Egypt is allegorical of being freed from the bondage of sin (Heb.11:24-26). Like Hagar is a figure of the bondage of the law Gal.4:24).

The land of promised to Abraham is really the heavenly Jerusalem,

he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10 the heavenly Jerusalem, Heb.12:22

it's called "the mother of us all", like Eve, the church.

These are Jews, explaining their own scriptures to us.

Yu don’t allegories prophecy, when you do this, you destroy the meaning purpose of reality

how can someone come to God when they SEE literal prophecy happen, if they can not see it happen?

prophecy is not a parable and should not be treated as a parable,

if God wanted us to see it that way he would have told, us.

but what he did tell us is that if a prophet says a thing and it does not come true that prophet is not a prophet of God,

and much of the prophets said that when you see these things happen, you may Know the lord is you ur God

and even God said, I tell you these things so you may know I am the lord your God.
thise words have been shown in many of the passages given here, including the one who claim we should interpret as a parable not as a prophecy.

 

[Guojing]

No one has the right to slander another person. One of the commands says thou shalt not bear false witness, this is the command broken most often in christian circles and it makes us look horrible

this is the attitude that has made places like this places to pity, not places to rejoice about,

Well, to me, its not what others say about you that matters, its what you say about yourself.

After all, in discussion forums, all of us are strangers from various places/countries, who will almost certainly not meet in real life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, to me, its not what others say about you that matters, its what you say about yourself.

After all, in discussion forums, all of us are strangers from various places/countries, who will almost certainly not meet in real life.

So we excuse sin, because it does not matter

that’s the problem with the church, we condemn and judge certain sins, but we excuse others,even our own minimal sins,

it’s also why we look so hypocritical to the world

 

[Guojing]

So we excuse sin, because it does not matter

that’s the problem with the church, we condemn and judge certain sins, but we excuse others,even our own minimal sins,

it’s also why we look so hypocritical to the world

No, I am not saying that.

I am saying what people say about you is a reflection on them, but how you respond is a reflection on you.

 

[KJV1611]

Not all of the Jews in that day were culpable, and none are today.

I never said all of them were or are, I'm saying don't GLORIFY those that are. Don't REPLACE God's chosen people with them.

 

[KJV1611]

So we excuse sin, because it does not matter

that’s the problem with the church, we condemn and judge certain sins, but we excuse others,even our own minimal sins,

it’s also why we look so hypocritical to the world

When you stand for and support people who hate God and Christians, you ARE in sin EG.

 

[KJV1611]

@kaylagrl

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Paul is trying to provoke the lost Jews to emulate himself so that they too can become God's Chosen People.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The CASTING AWAY of unsaved, wicked, full of corruption and the blood of the saints people is the reconciliation of the world. Anyone that comes out of that wickedness and turns to Christ will be like receiving life after being dead.

 

[Journeyman]

Yu don’t allegories prophecy, when you do this, you destroy the meaning purpose of reality

how can someone come to God when they SEE literal prophecy happen, if they can not see it happen?

prophecy is not a parable and should not be treated as a parable,

if God wanted us to see it that way he would have told, us.

but what he did tell us is that if a prophet says a thing and it does not come true that prophet is not a prophet of God,

and much of the prophets said that when you see these things happen, you may Know the lord is you ur God

and even God said, I tell you these things so you may know I am the lord your God.
thise words have been shown in many of the passages given here, including the one who claim we should interpret as a parable not as a prophecy.

You're taking the same position which Jewish people who don't believe in Jesus take. They say, "Jesus didn't do this or that." So then you need to say, Well, he will in the future."

But Jesus defeated all of the Jewish people's (and all of mankind') enemies (satan, sin and death).

Jesus gives believing Jews and all believers) the peace that passes all human understanding.

Jesus opens the eyes of Jewish believers (and all believers) to what "the land promise) really is, how and when it is entered.

This teaching didn't originate with gentiles. It's all Jewish. I just showed you what the Jews who knew Jesus, who knew God said. And your reply is, God doesn't do that.

 

[kaylagrl]

I never said all of them were or are, I'm saying don't GLORIFY those that are. Don't REPLACE God's chosen people with them.

They are the chosen people and I didn't say that, God did.

 

[kaylagrl]

I agree and I don’t agree

christ died for all of us, thus in reality, we all killed Christ

Yes, I mentioned that to him a few posts back. We all nailed Him to the cross, our sins.

remember, God could have sent his angels, and no one would have touched Jesus, he allowed himself to be killed. So in another reality, no one really killed him,

I think the high priests of the time were possibly somewhat culpable. But the Jews have been mistreated horrifically because of the label "Christ killer". One of the reasons used for the Holocaust. And Christians have been a part of this. They believe all the curses are for the Jews and all the blessings are for them. Romans makes it very clear, we are grafted in, we are not to boast. With the history of anti-Semitism in the church, it's no wonder some Jews don't trust Christians.

 

[kaylagrl]

You're taking the same position which Jewish people who don't believe in Jesus take. They say, "Jesus didn't do this or that." So then you need to say, Well, he will in the future."

But Jesus defeated all of the Jewish people's (and all of mankind') enemies (satan, sin and death).

Jesus gives believing Jews and all believers) the peace that passes all human understanding.

Jesus opens the eyes of Jewish believers (and all believers) to what "the land promise) really is, how and when it is entered.

This teaching didn't originate with gentiles. It's all Jewish. I just showed you what the Jews who knew Jesus, who knew God said. And your reply is, God doesn't do that.

It's simple, right there in the Bible, blinded for a time. Then they will recognize their Messiah. If you don't see it, it's because you don't want to see it. God's calling is irrevocable, His promises everlasting. If God cannot restore the Jews, Christians have no hope of salvation. God keeps His promises.

 

[kaylagrl]

When you stand for and support people who hate God and Christians, you ARE in sin EG.

So how do you treat your unsaved loved ones? Do you love them, pray for them, support them? Or do you turn against them? No, you tell them you love them, you point them to God, and you pray for them. Is that sin?

 

[kaylagrl]

I never said all of them were or are, I'm saying don't GLORIFY those that are. Don't REPLACE God's chosen people with them.

Glorify those that are what?! No one today is any more culpable than you or I. Christ died for sinners, all of them. So that makes us all guilty, if you're placing blame. As EG said, He did it willingly.

 

[KJV1611]

They are the chosen people and I didn't say that, God did.

Post the verse that makes you believe that.

 

[KJV1611]

So how do you treat your unsaved loved ones? Do you love them, pray for them, support them? Or do you turn against them? No, you tell them you love them, you point them to God, and you pray for them. Is that sin?

I love them and pray for them. The same as with a Satanist, I love them and pray for them but I don't send them money and call them God's chosen people.

 

[KJV1611]

Glorify those that are what?! No one today is any more culpable than you or I. Christ died for sinners, all of them. So that makes us all guilty, if you're placing blame. As EG said, He did it willingly.

Yes he could've called 10,000 angels to deliver him from the hand of the Jews but he didn't. He didn't prevent the Jews from murdering him.