His argument is a tautology, which is true by definition.
If you want to convince him otherwise, you must understand that first.
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His argument is a tautology, which is true by definition.
If you want to convince him otherwise, you must understand that first.
This sophisticated version of replacement theology is indeed alive and well.
https://christianchat.com/threads/replacement-theology.195824/post-4417770
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His argument is based on a false ideology and false understanding of dispensationalism.
you can’t base truth on facts which are not true, and an understanding which is not there
no one can convince him, only God, that’s why I stopped trying
I think if more of us treat discussion forums as a way to understand why others form the doctrine they form, rather than a way to convince others of wrong doctrine, it will be a more pleasurable experience for all.
So if you are willing to take a step back, both of you are actually making the same point.
Once anyone, Jew or otherwise, at anytime, now or during the Tribulation, repent and believe in the gospel, they will be saved.
As a consequence of that doctrine, I think you would also not believe that, during the Tribulation, God will supernaturally be feeding the Israelites as they flee to the mountains during the Tribulation right?
Plus you will also not believe that God will also be protecting them during that time, thru promises like the famous Psalms 91?
And talking about Ps 91, I find it rather interesting that so many churches insist on applying that Psalm to themselves instead.
God was finished with the nation of Israel at the cross.
Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
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If only
it would also be a great service if people stopped telling others what they believe when it’s clearly obvious they have no clue what they believe,
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, that is the beauty of discussion forums.
You do have a point there, e-g. We need to be mindful, especially as to professing christians but also whomsoever it may be. Richard Louw (from calvin.edu) even told the mormons that "we have told you what you believe rather than ask you what to believe". There were too many times we went headlong into debates, tilting at windmills. Btw, long time no see, bro. Cheers!
Would you see as a reality that some that are being in the covenant community, having the outward sign and seal of the covenant, yet are unregenerate?
Well, as Paul explained in Romans 11, the nation Israel is beloved for the sake of their fathers.
Pretty much the entire bible, from Genesis 12 all the way to Acts, followed by Hebrews to Revelations, is written to them and about them.
Rom 11:28 (KJV) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:28 says exactly the opposite of what you said. It says that the nation Israel is the enemy of the gospel but GODS ELECT are beloved of the Father.
You are correct, the current nation of Israel has fallen, so they are currently an enemy of God.
But for my case, I don't define the Body of Christ as Israel, unlike you. I keep the 2 separated.
Israel as a nation has a destiny with God during the Tribulation.
But that does not make all of them regenerate. Does it? So, the one/s who will turn away from God with uncircumcised hearts, even if bearing the covenant signs and seals, will end up cut-off. Yet God is able to graff them in again, should they turn from unbelief.
Let's have a look at Romans 11 for a while:
Romans 11:28 gives two separate groups of Israel. One group is the enemies of God which is the unsaved Jews and the other group is Gods elect, the saved Jews.
Yes, but as I discussed with KJV1611, Israel will have some special privileges during the Tribulation, that the unbelieving gentiles during that time won't.
God promised to feed them and to protect them during that time, aka the famous Psalms 91. He is only requiring them to stand firm during the Tribulation period and not take the mark of the beast.
During the Tribulation, once again, those gentiles who bless the Jews with food and shelter, will be blessed too (Matthew 25:31-46).
Currently, the saved Jews are in the Body of Christ, where they are equal to the rest of us.