Sunday Blue Laws, What's Its Foundation?

[Truth7t7]

Even the anabaptists, and puritans, kept worship service on Sunday, and they were radical separatists.

The scripture is straight forward, no need for a Anabaptist-Puritan history lesson

What do those scriptures state below, do we keep 9 commandments or 10?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

The scripture is straight forward, no need for a Anabaptist-Puritan history lesson

What do those scriptures state below, do we keep 9 commandments or 10?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

See post #100 from the link below:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments.194439/page-5#post-4417227

 

[Truth7t7]

See post #100 from the link below:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments.194439/page-5#post-4417227

Same answer

I keep the Sabbath in (Grace) just as Jesus Christ taught in the gospels

Those who kept the Sabbath and New Moons were judged in Colossians below , it was written in support of the Sabbath keepers.

The Sabbath and New Moons are (Eternal) a shadow of things to come,if you plan on being in the Eternal kingdom, better get use to the Lords Sabbath

There are 10 commandments not 9 , it's that simple

Colossians 2:6-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

 

[mailmandan]

Same answer

I keep the Sabbath in (Grace) just as Jesus Christ taught in the gospels

Those who kept the Sabbath and New Moons were judged in Colossians below , it was written in support of the Sabbath keepers.

The Sabbath and New Moons are (Eternal) a shadow of things to come,if you plan on being in the Eternal kingdom, better get use to the Lords Sabbath

There are 10 commandments not 9 , it's that simple

Colossians 2:6-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

I already covered this in post #134.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments.194439/page-7

 

[Truth7t7]

I already covered this in post #134.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments.194439/page-7

That's my response again

Same answer

I keep the Sabbath in (Grace) just as Jesus Christ taught in the gospels

Matthew 12:11-12KJV
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Those who kept the Sabbath and New Moons were judged in Colossians below , it was written in support of the Sabbath keepers.

The Sabbath and New Moons are (Eternal) a shadow of things to come,if you plan on being in the Eternal kingdom, better get use to the Lords Sabbath

There are 10 commandments not 9 , it's that simple

Colossians 2:6-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One thing is certain, no modern day church that I know of resembles the churches of acts they met “often” in the book fact (acts2). Not just on Saturday, or Sunday or a wed night prayer meeting

and non of the worship services we see today look anything like the churches of acts,

 

[Nehemiah6]

They weren't secretly supporting the Pope who out to kill them.

It was the Seventh Day Adventist teaching which made Sunday worship equivalent to taking the Mark of the Beast! Which of course was total nonsense. They call the papacy the Antichrist (which is also total nonsense).

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

The feast days were 7 days long, all days were considered Sabbath days

Not one word below establishes Sunday observance.

Exodus 34:21-22KJV
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Leviticus 23:15-16KJV
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.

Deuteronomy 16:13-16KJV
13 Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine:
14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.
15 Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord shall choose: because the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice.
16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty:

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days.
From the day after the Sabbath which is our Sunday through seven sabbaths to the day after the seventh Sabbath which is also Sunday and is also the 50th day which is the day of pentecost. Which simply means 50th.
Then I'm acts on the day of pentecost which is the day after the seventh Sabbath. I know this cuts a cross our religious hearts, but we have to stop justifying ourselves and rely upon the Justification of the Lord.

 

[Truth7t7]

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days.
From the day after the Sabbath which is our Sunday through seven sabbaths to the day after the seventh Sabbath which is also Sunday and is also the 50th day which is the day of pentecost. Which simply means 50th.
Then I'm acts on the day of pentecost which is the day after the seventh Sabbath. I know this cuts a cross our religious hearts, but we have to stop justifying ourselves and rely upon the Justification of the Lord.

The scripture presented represents (Sabbath Days) plural, Sunday is not the 7th Day Sabbath, as seen in the 10 commandments

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It was the Seventh Day Adventist teaching which made Sunday worship equivalent to taking the Mark of the Beast! Which of course was total nonsense. They call the papacy the Antichrist (which is also total nonsense).

I call the papacy an antichrist.

 

[Truth7t7]

I call the papacy an antichrist.

I believe the papacy has the (spirit) of Antichrist, but isnt the future Little Horn, Man Of Sin, The Beast, Antichrist

 

[Grandpa]

That's my response again

Same answer

I keep the Sabbath in (Grace) just as Jesus Christ taught in the gospels

Matthew 12:11-12KJV
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Those who kept the Sabbath and New Moons were judged in Colossians below , it was written in support of the Sabbath keepers.

The Sabbath and New Moons are (Eternal) a shadow of things to come,if you plan on being in the Eternal kingdom, better get use to the Lords Sabbath

There are 10 commandments not 9 , it's that simple

Colossians 2:6-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


If someone is dead to the Law so they might be alive to God and they acknowledge that their righteousness DOESN'T come from the 10 commandments but comes from Christ, WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE TO WORSHIP ON THE DAY THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE LAW?

Wouldn't they choose a more SIGNIFICANT day for Christ and for Christians? Like the day of Pentecost. Like the day the Lord resurrected from the grave. The day of Power for the Christian.


Or would they just pretend none of that mattered and they should just go back to the Law as if they could gain some extra righteousness from it?

How could we show we are no longer under a schoolmaster by still being under a schoolmaster?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[Truth7t7]

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


If someone is dead to the Law so they might be alive to God and they acknowledge that their righteousness DOESN'T come from the 10 commandments but comes from Christ, WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE TO WORSHIP ON THE DAY THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE LAW?

Wouldn't they choose a more SIGNIFICANT day for Christ and for Christians? Like the day of Pentecost. Like the day the Lord resurrected from the grave. The day of Power for the Christian.


Or would they just pretend none of that mattered and they should just go back to the Law as if they could gain some extra righteousness from it?

How could we show we are no longer under a schoolmaster by still being under a schoolmaster?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

What do those scriptures state below, do we keep 9 commandments or 10?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Exodus 20:1-17KJV
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


If someone is dead to the Law so they might be alive to God and they acknowledge that their righteousness DOESN'T come from the 10 commandments but comes from Christ, WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE TO WORSHIP ON THE DAY THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE LAW?

Wouldn't they choose a more SIGNIFICANT day for Christ and for Christians? Like the day of Pentecost. Like the day the Lord resurrected from the grave. The day of Power for the Christian.


Or would they just pretend none of that mattered and they should just go back to the Law as if they could gain some extra righteousness from it?

How could we show we are no longer under a schoolmaster by still being under a schoolmaster?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

All this law keeping and wailing on about commandments, is a very human thing to do. Greater than any other human desire we desire to be self justified. Because we know in our hearts that we are rotten, and there is no reason we should be allowed to live. It's impossible for to just accept that Jesus did it all for us. He justified our very existence, but this validates Jesus not us in our eyes, ya see Jesus gets all the honour and glory and praise because he did all the work. But we want to be justified in ourselves, to say look what I did, I did all this stuff in your name Jesus.

 

[Grandpa]

What do those scriptures state below, do we keep 9 commandments or 10?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Exodus 20:1-17KJV
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

We actually keep 0 out of 10.

The only way commandments are kept is to be dead to them and alive to God.

Romans 3:21-22
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Working at your own understanding of what you think the Law says does NOT mean you keep commandments....

 

[Truth7t7]

We actually keep 0 out of 10.

The only way commandments are kept is to be dead to them and alive to God.

Your claim is false, the vast majority of society hasn't killed, there is one commandment kept

 

[Grandpa]

Your claim is false, the vast majority of society hasn't killed, there is one commandment kept

Matthew 5:21-22
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


I'd say they are still ofer. O fer 10.

 

[Truth7t7]

We actually keep 0 out of 10.

The only way commandments are kept is to be dead to them and alive to God.

Romans 3:21-22
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Working at your own understanding of what you think the Law says does NOT mean you keep commandments....

I see what your saying, but the fact of the matter is the 10 commandments are binding today, the 10 Commandments are a foundation for the Magna Carta and US constitution, however history has shown that the 7th day sabbath has went by the wayside, Emperor Constatine in 321 AD played a major role.

 

[tribesman]

I'd say: focus on the The Fourth Commandment instead of arguing over Saturday or Sunday.

 

[posthuman]

The Church was established on the Sabbath, not Sunday as you claim.

Acts 13:42-44KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

wow how many times are you going to keep repeating this tripe???
i have corrected you at least 3 times on exactly this false claim of yours. the least you could do is respond and give your justification for continuing to spread it.

Acts 13 is not the establishing of the church.
Acts 13-42:44 is Paul & Barnabas evangelizing people in Pisidian Antioch

the day of Pentecost / Shavuot / Feast of Weeks is an 8th day / 1st day of the week, the day after the sabbath of the Jews. ((Exodus 34))