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Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (flesh descendants), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
This is Paul agreeing with me. For they are not all Israel (God's elect, spiritual Israel) which are of Israel (Not God's elect, the flesh descendants, the enemies of the gospel, the Christ killers and God haters). Those Israelites ARE NOT the Israel of God, they are the enemies of God.
Why do you insist on believing the exact opposite of this? When you support the flesh descendants you are supporting the enemies of the gospel and the enemies of God.
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (flesh descendants), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
This is Paul agreeing with me. For they are not all Israel (God's elect, spiritual Israel) which are of Israel (Not God's elect, the flesh descendants, the enemies of the gospel, the Christ killers and God haters). Those Israelites ARE NOT the Israel of God, they are the enemies of God.
Why do you insist on believing the exact opposite of this? When you support the flesh descendants you are supporting the enemies of the gospel and the enemies of God.
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If you knew what I believed you would not lie about what I believe, you would not claimi believe something I have never believed and no one knows believed before,
so you were not like me, maybe one of those far out sects who claims dispensationalism, but does not themself understand it.
but you were nothing like me
so you were not like me, maybe one of those far out sects who claims dispensationalism, but does not themself understand it.
but you were nothing like me
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Romans 9 does not contradict Romans 11, John, and all of those prophets I spoke of.
romans 9 states the truth, all people of all ages no matter who or what they are are saved by grace
this is not about salvation, the fact you co it ue to insist it does just proves you were never like me. Not even for a second.
romans 9 states the truth, all people of all ages no matter who or what they are are saved by grace
this is not about salvation, the fact you co it ue to insist it does just proves you were never like me. Not even for a second.
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For salvation?
no
it was never for salvation, being a Jew never saved anyone, and being a Jew never promised anyone in the past present or future that they would be saved apart from faith in God through repentance.
your the one making it a salvation issue my friend, Gods chosing of Israel for a,specific thing had nothing to do with their salvation.
no
it was never for salvation, being a Jew never saved anyone, and being a Jew never promised anyone in the past present or future that they would be saved apart from faith in God through repentance.
your the one making it a salvation issue my friend, Gods chosing of Israel for a,specific thing had nothing to do with their salvation.
You're under the false Judaic belief that someday, every Jew on earth is going to believe in God. Jesus and the Apostles never taught this. Jesus said,
Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. Mt.10:34
It isn't me who doesn't believe what God said.
If you don't understand the plain teachings of Jesus, there's no point in going into what "the time of Jacobs trouble" is. Have the last word. I'm done.
Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. Mt.10:34
It isn't me who doesn't believe what God said.
If you don't understand the plain teachings of Jesus, there's no point in going into what "the time of Jacobs trouble" is. Have the last word. I'm done.
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all I can do is show what god has insisted from the time israel was promised until the last words in scripture was written
take it up with God man,
the time of jacobs trouble
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
yeah you are done, you have nothing to show me, you can not read plain scripture then call me a liar
good luck man,mits there in black and right, all you have to do is read it
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
take it up with God man,
the time of jacobs trouble
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
yeah you are done, you have nothing to show me, you can not read plain scripture then call me a liar
good luck man,mits there in black and right, all you have to do is read it
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
So obviously this a continuation from chapter 10.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
This is talking about the kingdom being taken from the Jews and given to another nation. God had stretched forth his hand to these stiff necked gainsaying people for thousands of years and they continued to reject him so God took the kingdom from them.
Do you agree with this?
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
This is talking about the kingdom being taken from the Jews and given to another nation. God had stretched forth his hand to these stiff necked gainsaying people for thousands of years and they continued to reject him so God took the kingdom from them.
Do you agree with this?
These flesh descendants of Israel were given the chance to be adopted as the sons of God and to live in His glory. But most rejected it.
God gave his covenants and the law directly to the Jews. He allowed them the privilege of being servants of God. He gave them access to the promises made to Abraham through Christ. But they rejected all of this and perverted it with their own ordinances and customs.
God gave his covenants and the law directly to the Jews. He allowed them the privilege of being servants of God. He gave them access to the promises made to Abraham through Christ. But they rejected all of this and perverted it with their own ordinances and customs.
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Ezekial 36. The future purpose of Israel, to show the nations (gentiles) who the true God is.
the past, the sin of Israel up to the current age where Israel because of sin is dispersed and scattered to all nations (fulfilled in 70 Ad) and even today. Continue in sin
16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
why God did it, and why God will do what he will do, it’s not for the sake of Israel it is for his own sake.
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.
amazing, when Israel repents and all Isreal is saved because God becomes hallowed (becomes holy, consecrated sacred, set apart from all others) by the very people who were punished and continue to this day to profane and rebel against him
the backwards wisdom of God, contrary to our thinking, God takes this people who rebelled, who profaned his name, who were punished yet still profaned his name, will be used by God to be a witness to all nations when they repent and receive God as their king
How will God accomplish this?
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
sadly people like to stop here and claim this is for all people and only for those who will be saved be it jew or gentile, which if the prophet stopped her they would have an argument, but the prophet does not stop, he continues
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
this cannot Be the church, because the church was never promised land, this is the land given to the fathers, the land given Abraham Isaac and Jacob, yet people insist it is the church, and call us liars!
29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations.
31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will [e]loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
God promises to do this to this nation of Israel
33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’
why? For what purpose?
36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”
37 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. 38 Like a [f]flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its [g]feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I am the Lord
God does not do this to please a sinful people, to save them or to restore them in their sin
he does it so they and the world will KNOW GOD
here we have it in black and white. To deny this is to deny God
the past, the sin of Israel up to the current age where Israel because of sin is dispersed and scattered to all nations (fulfilled in 70 Ad) and even today. Continue in sin
16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
why God did it, and why God will do what he will do, it’s not for the sake of Israel it is for his own sake.
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.
amazing, when Israel repents and all Isreal is saved because God becomes hallowed (becomes holy, consecrated sacred, set apart from all others) by the very people who were punished and continue to this day to profane and rebel against him
the backwards wisdom of God, contrary to our thinking, God takes this people who rebelled, who profaned his name, who were punished yet still profaned his name, will be used by God to be a witness to all nations when they repent and receive God as their king
How will God accomplish this?
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
sadly people like to stop here and claim this is for all people and only for those who will be saved be it jew or gentile, which if the prophet stopped her they would have an argument, but the prophet does not stop, he continues
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
this cannot Be the church, because the church was never promised land, this is the land given to the fathers, the land given Abraham Isaac and Jacob, yet people insist it is the church, and call us liars!
29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations.
31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will [e]loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
God promises to do this to this nation of Israel
33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’
why? For what purpose?
36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”
37 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. 38 Like a [f]flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its [g]feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I am the Lord
God does not do this to please a sinful people, to save them or to restore them in their sin
he does it so they and the world will KNOW GOD
here we have it in black and white. To deny this is to deny God
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god promised them he would do this in Lev 26, when the events of 70 ad occured and Israel was scattered among the nations because of her sin,
I also believe Israel is still in sin, as she profanes the name of God in her false gospel. leading many astray
but I also believe as also said in Lev 26, that even After this if they repent Gods will remember his promises, he will remember the fathers and he will remember the land (kingdom)
I also believe places like Ezekiel 36 (see above), jeremiah 40 (the time of jacobs trouble) Ezekiel 37 (valley of dry bones) and many other places, which say God will go after them and they will put an end to their sin repent and again make God hollowed in their site (see also daniel 7) and at that time, god will restore them to the land. When as paul says in Romans 12 the deliverer will come to Zion and all Israel (the nation) shall repent and be saved, and because of their repentance, and because of God promise made to the nation in Lev 26, they will be restored
i believe all of it, not just part of it my friend
I also believe Israel is still in sin, as she profanes the name of God in her false gospel. leading many astray
but I also believe as also said in Lev 26, that even After this if they repent Gods will remember his promises, he will remember the fathers and he will remember the land (kingdom)
I also believe places like Ezekiel 36 (see above), jeremiah 40 (the time of jacobs trouble) Ezekiel 37 (valley of dry bones) and many other places, which say God will go after them and they will put an end to their sin repent and again make God hollowed in their site (see also daniel 7) and at that time, god will restore them to the land. When as paul says in Romans 12 the deliverer will come to Zion and all Israel (the nation) shall repent and be saved, and because of their repentance, and because of God promise made to the nation in Lev 26, they will be restored
i believe all of it, not just part of it my friend