The 10 Commandments

[eternally-gratefull]

Unless one is an antinomian, then believers know that we are not released from the moral Law.

The old Ceremonial and Sacrificial Laws given to Moses were fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ and no longer apply:
Mat_5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

These Laws, including prophetical statements from Prophets and the Psalms, they were types and shadows of the person and work of Jesus Christ.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

Once fulfilled, they had served there purpose. But as to the Moral Law, (Ten Commandments), they were spoken of by our Lord in:
Mat 22:37-40 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the great and first commandment. (This takes in Commandments 1-4), And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (This takes in Commandments 5-10), On these two commandments the whole law is standing, and the Prophets. This was also recorded in Mark 12:30, 31 and Luke 10:27.

The Moral Law, not only convicts believers of sin but is a continual reminder of what God expects in approaching and worshipping Him and in dealings with our fellow man. This Law stands forever and the proof is in what our Lord said above, by compressing the 10 Commandments into 2 Commandments. The two principles laid out, continue throughout NT Scripture, in the need to Love Jesus Christ above all else and to Love fellow believers. Both of these are accomplished in the sphere of TRUTH.

1Pe_1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently:
1Jn_3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither with the tongue; but in deed and truth.
2Jn_1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not I only, but also all they that know the truth;
3Jn_1:1 The elder unto Gaius the beloved, whom I love in truth.
2Jn_1:3 Grace, mercy, peace shall be with us, from God the Father, and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Love is not an emotion that is given out willy-nilly by believers but is shown to those who are in the Truth and Love the Truth. One who loves Truth loves Christ and will endeavor to keep His Commandments and study to show oneself approved by God.

For those who are not partakers of God's Truth, you have the following:

2Th 2:10-12 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God sending them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Belief in Jesus Christ and a love for Truth can not be separated. We can only worship God in 1st) Spirit, must be "born again" (John 3:1-10), and 2nd) Truth, (John 4:23, 24).

If we love Christ and the Truth, we except and see the beauty of His Moral law. These Commandments cover thoughts, words and deeds. Let's take a quick look:

Man towards God
In Thoughts:
1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Mat. 22:37)
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
In Words:
3) Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (Vain means in a useless or deceiving way.)
In Deeds:
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Man towards Man:
In Deeds:
5) Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.
6) Thou shalt not kill. (Murder... God has no problem with killing in the time of War and in the line of Duty)
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
In Words:
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (This takes in all lies)
In Thoughts:
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

The moral law as you state are the tablets of stone the ministration of death as Paul called it

The thing you follow you think gives you life was the Ministration of death Given to Israel. Why is it this way? Because when Moses was given them. He made the children of Israel confirm an oat they they confirm ever word and will obey every word

That’s why James said if you keep every command yet stumble in one point. That command has condemned you to death because you are guilty

As Paul said cursed is everyone who try’s to place themselves under the law of commands. Because no one can keep them for that case everyone is condemned by them

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The moral law as you state are the tablets of stone the ministration of death as Paul called it

The thing you follow you think gives you life was the Ministration of death Given to Israel. Why is it this way? Because when Moses was given them. He made the children of Israel confirm an oat they they confirm ever word and will obey every word

That’s why James said if you keep every command yet stumble in one point. That command has condemned you to death because you are guilty

As Paul said cursed is everyone who try’s to place themselves under the law of commands. Because no one can keep them for that case everyone is condemned by them

To me this is the disconnect and I will try to answer more than one post you made

If you were/are a Pharisee (or today a Jew) there are more than one law. The law of God and the Talmud. The Talmud is man made law and Paul followed it because he was being taught by Gamaliel (also a Pharisee). The Jews place more value on the Talmud than the Torah because they say God is not speaking to us directly anymore. If we believe that Paul cursed the law he is in contradiction with people like David who loved the law and said the law is perfect and he delighted in it.

He (David) said we should meditate it day and night, he said the law is in our hearts (sounds familiar ), we should teach it to our children, he said that Jacob had the law (Psalm 105:10), we should walk in the law, he asked God to open his eyes to the wonderous things in the law (Psalm 119:18), he will observe it (Psalm 119:34) and keep it continually, he will not forsake the law, the wicked has stolen from him but he refused to forget the law, people around him was in their heart fat and filled with grease but he delighted in the law, God's law was better than gold and silver (Psalm 119:72), the Lord showed Him tenderness and mercy in the law, and so we can go on and on. If we read this we also see Jesus in the law.

We have to understand that the difference between OT and NT is only the page that separates them in the Bible. The whole Word is one love letter to humanity. Not separate letters to the Jews and the Gentiles.

The Torah is the first five books of the TaNaKh which consist of the Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim. So no the OT is not the Torah

Coming back to what Paul said, if we are not in Christ we are being judged by the moral law or 10 commandments... not the 9 commandments. YHVH Elohim don't have different standards so we need to understand that there is no harm in us keeping the 10 commandments if we are in love with our King.

God bless my friend and have a good day.

 

[Blik]

Unless one is an antinomian, then believers know that we are not released from the moral Law.

The old Ceremonial and Sacrificial Laws given to Moses were fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ and no longer apply:
Mat_5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

These Laws, including prophetical statements from Prophets and the Psalms, they were types and shadows of the person and work of Jesus Christ.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.

Once fulfilled, they had served there purpose. But as to the Moral Law, (Ten Commandments), they were spoken of by our Lord in:
Mat 22:37-40 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the great and first commandment. (This takes in Commandments 1-4), And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (This takes in Commandments 5-10), On these two commandments the whole law is standing, and the Prophets. This was also recorded in Mark 12:30, 31 and Luke 10:27.

The Moral Law, not only convicts believers of sin but is a continual reminder of what God expects in approaching and worshipping Him and in dealings with our fellow man. This Law stands forever and the proof is in what our Lord said above, by compressing the 10 Commandments into 2 Commandments. The two principles laid out, continue throughout NT Scripture, in the need to Love Jesus Christ above all else and to Love fellow believers. Both of these are accomplished in the sphere of TRUTH.

1Pe_1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently:
1Jn_3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither with the tongue; but in deed and truth.
2Jn_1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not I only, but also all they that know the truth;
3Jn_1:1 The elder unto Gaius the beloved, whom I love in truth.
2Jn_1:3 Grace, mercy, peace shall be with us, from God the Father, and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Love is not an emotion that is given out willy-nilly by believers but is shown to those who are in the Truth and Love the Truth. One who loves Truth loves Christ and will endeavor to keep His Commandments and study to show oneself approved by God.

For those who are not partakers of God's Truth, you have the following:

2Th 2:10-12 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God sending them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Belief in Jesus Christ and a love for Truth can not be separated. We can only worship God in 1st) Spirit, must be "born again" (John 3:1-10), and 2nd) Truth, (John 4:23, 24).

If we love Christ and the Truth, we except and see the beauty of His Moral law. These Commandments cover thoughts, words and deeds. Let's take a quick look:

Man towards God
In Thoughts:
1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Mat. 22:37)
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
In Words:
3) Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (Vain means in a useless or deceiving way.)
In Deeds:
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Man towards Man:
In Deeds:
5) Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.
6) Thou shalt not kill. (Murder... God has no problem with killing in the time of War and in the line of Duty)
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
In Words:
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (This takes in all lies)
In Thoughts:
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

The law is like the gas that we use to fill the tank of our car. Once we fill our tanks we can use our car. The law tells us how our world works, what is the optomine performance.

The ancients were given the law in a list of rules, the new covenant gave that list to us in a better way, it gave us the spirit of the Lord. We are told the results we can have from using this information or we can refuse to use it, We have control of the end that we want to achieve. But just as our car uses the gas we put in our car, we have no choice in how that gas works. We have no choice in how it works to obey and use the rules or decide not to use it.

Each of the laws fit into the law of love when it is used accurately. If you obey the rule of the Sabbath, for examle, without love, then you are not obeying the rule of the Sabbath, the Sabbath must be about love.

 

[Blik]

Jesus said in John 3:7, "Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’"

Good thought. The law is firm, there is only one way to achieve certain ends. We can choose to obey it or not, but we can't get where we want to go without following law.

To be part of the Kingdom of God you do not have free will, you must be born again, there is no other way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To me this is the disconnect and I will try to answer more than one post you made

If you were/are a Pharisee (or today a Jew) there are more than one law. The law of God and the Talmud. The Talmud is man made law and Paul followed it because he was being taught by Gamaliel (also a Pharisee). The Jews place more value on the Talmud than the Torah because they say God is not speaking to us directly anymore. If we believe that Paul cursed the law he is in contradiction with people like David who loved the law and said the law is perfect and he delighted in it.

He (David) said we should meditate it day and night, he said the law is in our hearts (sounds familiar ), we should teach it to our children, he said that Jacob had the law (Psalm 105:10), we should walk in the law, he asked God to open his eyes to the wonderous things in the law (Psalm 119:18), he will observe it (Psalm 119:34) and keep it continually, he will not forsake the law, the wicked has stolen from him but he refused to forget the law, people around him was in their heart fat and filled with grease but he delighted in the law, God's law was better than gold and silver (Psalm 119:72), the Lord showed Him tenderness and mercy in the law, and so we can go on and on. If we read this we also see Jesus in the law.

We have to understand that the difference between OT and NT is only the page that separates them in the Bible. The whole Word is one love letter to humanity. Not separate letters to the Jews and the Gentiles.

The Torah is the first five books of the TaNaKh which consist of the Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim. So no the OT is not the Torah

Coming back to what Paul said, if we are not in Christ we are being judged by the moral law or 10 commandments... not the 9 commandments. YHVH Elohim don't have different standards so we need to understand that there is no harm in us keeping the 10 commandments if we are in love with our King.

God bless my friend and have a good day.

You are judged by the Ten Commandments and found guilty where you stand, and where you sit and wherever you are on the face of the earth,

every minute of every day for the rest of your life, you stand condemned based on the “ministration of death written in stone“ (the ten commandments.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,

please explain to me how following the thing that condemns me can help me be a righteous person? Especially when in reality, it is just sin sins, God said here, I give you these ten, I give it to prove you can not even keep these ten commands, in order to prove to you how desperate your situation is, and how your Eternity is lost unless this lamb is slain in your place to remove the penalty of that sin.

you all want us to go back and do what the jews could not do.

we’ll good luck, they could not do it, you can‘t and can not

as for the commands themselves, they were given to the jews, and each of them were better explained later on, even the sabbath.

don’t tell me you keep the sabbath when you do not do all that is required,

the pharisee watered down the law, they claimed because they lived the letter of the law (do not do this) they obeyed the law. Jesus shut them up in the sermon on the mount, let’s listen to jesus and not water these laws down,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law is like the gas that we use to fill the tank of our car. Once we fill our tanks we can use our car. The law tells us how our world works, what is the optomine performance.

The ancients were given the law in a list of rules, the new covenant gave that list to us in a better way, it gave us the spirit of the Lord. We are told the results we can have from using this information or we can refuse to use it, We have control of the end that we want to achieve. But just as our car uses the gas we put in our car, we have no choice in how that gas works. We have no choice in how it works to obey and use the rules or decide not to use it.

Each of the laws fit into the law of love when it is used accurately. If you obey the rule of the Sabbath, for examle, without love, then you are not obeying the rule of the Sabbath, the Sabbath must be about love.

Actually it is the love of God we must use to fill our gas tanks.

the law condemns, using the law as a gas tank would be like putting something in your car that is like gas, but yur engine will not run full load, it lacks the power, and if you continue to do it, you will destroy the engine

Jesus said all the law is contained in two commands, love God and love everyone else,

we love because God first loved us,

we do not become righteous people because we follow the law. We become righteous people because we allow God to pour out his love in us to overflowing so we can take his love, and his power and use that to love others,

when we do this, we are not focused on self, we are focused solely on others, and we will not in this state sin (break the law). And we do not need the law to tell us do not do, because we do not even think of doing,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good thought. The law is firm, there is only one way to achieve certain ends. We can choose to obey it or not, but we can't get where we want to go without following law.

To be part of the Kingdom of God you do not have free will, you must be born again, there is no other way.

You have two choices

allow God love to fill you to overflowing and seek after the things of the spirit loving God and others

or seek to serve self in which you will not recieve Gods love but his chastening, and where you will not Be at that moment obedient children

youndo not need the law for either of those choices, because it will not help either person

the first will not break the second,

the second needs to turn in faith and go back to his first love, and again allow God to fill them with love. The law would just destroy the person, because the law would give him no hope. That’s why it failed, the hope comes in God and his love, not in the law

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You are judged by the Ten Commandments and found guilty where you stand, and where you sit and wherever you are on the face of the earth,

every minute of every day for the rest of your life, you stand condemned based on the “ministration of death written in stone“ (the ten commandments.

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,

please explain to me how following the thing that condemns me can help me be a righteous person? Especially when in reality, it is just sin sins, God said here, I give you these ten, I give it to prove you can not even keep these ten commands, in order to prove to you how desperate your situation is, and how your Eternity is lost unless this lamb is slain in your place to remove the penalty of that sin.

you all want us to go back and do what the jews could not do.

we’ll good luck, they could not do it, you can‘t and can not

as for the commands themselves, they were given to the jews, and each of them were better explained later on, even the sabbath.

don’t tell me you keep the sabbath when you do not do all that is required,

the pharisee watered down the law, they claimed because they lived the letter of the law (do not do this) they obeyed the law. Jesus shut them up in the sermon on the mount, let’s listen to jesus and not water these laws down,

You are wrong ET, they did not obey the law and that is why Jesus had words with them. They tried to replace God's standards with their own and that is the big divide.

As for the commandments... I said what I said and it is done. I am not going to argue about this anymore

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are wrong ET, they did not obey the law and that is why Jesus had words with them. They tried to replace God's standards with their own and that is the big divide.

As for the commandments... I said what I said and it is done. I am not going to argue about this anymore

1. EG not ET
2. I never said they obeyed the law (maybe you misread what I said]
3. You do not obey the law either, the requirement is perfection, that’s why Paul called it the ministration of death written in stone, it’s why James said if we keep every command all our life and stumble in just one small point, we are guilty, and deserving of death

i am not arguing, and trying to help free you from the slavery I was under much of my life

 

[Magenta]

Good thought. The law is firm, there is only one way to achieve certain ends. We can choose to obey it or not, but we can't get where we want to go without following law.

To be part of the Kingdom of God you do not have free will, you must be born again, there is no other way.

Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

1. EG not ET
2. I never said they obeyed the law (maybe you misread what I said]
3. You do not obey the law either, the requirement is perfection, that’s why Paul called it the ministration of death written in stone, it’s why James said if we keep every command all our life and stumble in just one small point, we are guilty, and deserving of death

i am not arguing, and trying to help free you from the slavery I was under much of my life

I concede, you win EG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I concede, you win EG

By this post alone. There is no winner

 

[Blik]

Actually it is the love of God we must use to fill our gas tanks.

the law condemns, using the law as a gas tank would be like putting something in your car that is like gas, but yur engine will not run full load, it lacks the power, and if you continue to do it, you will destroy the engine

Jesus said all the law is contained in two commands, love God and love everyone else,

we love because God first loved us,

we do not become righteous people because we follow the law. We become righteous people because we allow God to pour out his love in us to overflowing so we can take his love, and his power and use that to love others,

when we do this, we are not focused on self, we are focused solely on others, and we will not in this state sin (break the law). And we do not need the law to tell us do not do, because we do not even think of doing,

It is you who use the law in a wrong way. Christians use all the lord is to fill their gas tanks.

 

[Blik]

Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

The law explains the sin that kills, through Christ's forgiveness we are given righteousness.

 

[Magenta]

The law explains the sin that kills, through Christ's forgiveness we are given righteousness.

Through faith in His propitiatory sacrifice on our behalf, we attain to life ever after,
as His righteous is imputed to us by grace through faith in His completed work

 

[Magenta]

*righteousness

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is you who use the law in a wrong way. Christians use all the lord is to fill their gas tanks.

It’s ok if you think that way

If you want to put something that was made to condemn in your tank feel free

I will Continue to allow God to Fill mine with love

 

[Grandpa]

The moral law as you state are the tablets of stone the ministration of death as Paul called it

The thing you follow you think gives you life was the Ministration of death Given to Israel. Why is it this way? Because when Moses was given them. He made the children of Israel confirm an oat they they confirm ever word and will obey every word

That’s why James said if you keep every command yet stumble in one point. That command has condemned you to death because you are guilty

As Paul said cursed is everyone who try’s to place themselves under the law of commands. Because no one can keep them for that case everyone is condemned by them

There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

Proverbs 14:12

 

[Blik]

It’s ok if you think that way

If you want to put something that was made to condemn in your tank feel free

I will Continue to allow God to Fill mine with love

I am putting all the Lord is in my tank, are you saying the Lord condemns himself? Perhaps you mean the law that you are so against. The law is the Torah, that is the first five books of the bible. Can you be against the Torah, so you would not put these words, these ways of the Lord in your tank?

The law defines sin, it is not sin itself. The Lord condemns sin, the Lord does not condemn His word. His word is love, you say you are against the law and you accept the love. You cannot know what love is if you refuse to hear from the word what it is.

 

[laymen]

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;