Replacement theology.

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Truth7t7

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Already happened in the restriction of Jerusalem in the war with the Romans - the 1/3 were all Christian and fled the city was surrounded by the Roman army - Luke 21:20
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The Preterist 70AD isnt fulfillment, the Lord Jesus didnt return immediately after a 70AD tribulation as Matthew 24:29-30 disproves 70AD fulfillment
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
And The Lord will vindicate the saved remnant before the world for the express purpose of proving WHO he his.
It doesn't add up to the nation of Israel being replaced with saved gentiles.

Jesus is going to take up the Kingship of this earth physically and fight for them.
This is HOW the Jews collectively recognise the Messiah.

Romans 11
There are two distinct groups of people in these verses. 1. Israel 2. Gentiles. You CANNOT claim to be both.

"For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Heed Paul's warning. Do not be cut off because of prideful arrogance toward the tree that supports you.
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Only the 1/3 Remnant elect chosen will be saved, those whom God (Foreknew) Not all Jews are saved as you suggest

The 1/3 Election Obtains Salvation, the 2/3 are blind and are cutoff and die

Roman's 11:2-7KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

2/3 of Jews will be cut off and die,only 1/3 will be saved

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Only the Remnant elect chosen will be save, those whom God (Foreknew)
Not all Jews are saved as you suggest

The 1/3 Election Obtains Salvation, the 2/3 are blind and are cutoff and die

Roman's 11:2-7KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

2/3 of Jews will be cut off and die,only 1/3 will be saved

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
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You need to read on, because up to a time your right, there is a partial remnant,

but when the time of the gentile is completed (the return of Christ to defeat the last gentile kingdom or beast). All Israel will be saved, all means all, not part
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You need to read on, because up to a time your right, there is a partial remnant,

but when the time of the gentile is completed (the return of Christ to defeat the last gentile kingdom or beast). All Israel will be saved, all means all, not part
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When the last person is added to the book of life, all israel will be saved

The Church is Israel, children of he promised seed, remnant elect will be added to the church, as children of the promised seed (elect) through foreknowledge, chosen

They which are children of the flesh, (Jews) these are not the children of God

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
When the last person is added to the book of life, all israel will be saved

The Church is Israel, children of he promised seed.

They which are children of the flesh, (Jews) these are not the children of God

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Lol, you left romans 11, as was shown before by Lucy, Romans 11 speaks of saved gentiles verses the nation of Israel (saved and unsaved). The context of all Isreal is the context that the ones who are blinded have their blindness removed and all Israel (as apposed to gentiles) will be saved.

romans 9 has a completely different context, you have to use the context of Romans 11 to interpret Romans 11
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol, you left romans 11, as was shown before by Lucy, Romans 11 speaks of saved gentiles verses the nation of Israel (saved and unsaved). The context of all Isreal is the context that the ones who are blinded have their blindness removed and all Israel (as apposed to gentiles) will be saved.

romans 9 has a completely different context, you have to use the context of Romans 11 to interpret Romans 11
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Gods words are screaming in your face, that ethnic Jews of the flesh aren't the children of God, and you suggest they are, is God lying below?

They which are children of the flesh, (Ethnic Jews) these are not the children of God

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol, you left romans 11, as was shown before by Lucy, Romans 11 speaks of saved gentiles verses the nation of Israel (saved and unsaved). The context of all Isreal is the context that the ones who are blinded have their blindness removed and all Israel (as apposed to gentiles) will be saved.

romans 9 has a completely different context, you have to use the context of Romans 11 to interpret Romans 11
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2/3 of Jews will be cut off and die (Blinded), only the 1/3 remnant elect will be saved, you disregard Gods words below, why?

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Gods words are screaming in your face, that ethnic Jews of the flesh aren't the children of God, and you suggest they are, is God lying below?
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We are all children of God. This sounds anti-semitic. God is not tribal, thoughI realize that some think that "he" is.
 
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Janeaux said:
We are all children of God. This sounds anti-semitic. God is not tribal, thoughI realize that some think that "he" is.
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Israel of the flesh (Jews) aren't the children of God, are Gods words beliw Antisemitic?

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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There is no replacement of God's chosen people. Believers have always been his chosen people,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn.1:12-13

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal.3:26
 
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Journeyman said:
There is no replacement of God's chosen people. Believers have always been his chosen people,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn.1:12-13

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal.3:26
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How unloving, that's Antisemetic?

No it's the (TRUTH)!

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed!
 
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kaylagrl said:
The Bible says the Jews have been blinded for a time, until the Gentiles come in. But there will be a day when they will recognize there Messiah and they will mourn that they rejected Him. And they will be saved, the same way we all are. How do Christians not know this?
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My question to the OP pertained to Jews who lived and subsequently died refusing to believe in Jesus.
 
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Duskey said:
My question to the OP pertained to Jews who lived and subsequently died refusing to believe in Jesus.
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It's the pit of hell then the lake of fire following, for all that reject salvation in Jesus Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I think they say this because replacement theology was born in Rome. Who were extreme anti Semitic so it makes sense to think this theology was born if that hatred
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I guess its time to read the bible again and see that anti-judaism is not anti-semitism.

Anti-Roman Catholic isn't considered racism?

Why not?


I think people have their wires crossed.
 
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Grandpa said:
I guess its time to read the bible again and see that anti-judaism is not anti-semitism.

Anti-Roman Catholic isn't considered racism?

Why not?


I think people have their wires crossed.
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Grandpa,your being insensitive, perhaps we need to send you to sensitivity training, and your instructor will be waving a rainbow flag, now be sensitive :giggle:
 
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Journeyman said:
There is no replacement of God's chosen people. Believers have always been his chosen people,

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn.1:12-13

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal.3:26
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No, that's incorrect. The Jews are the chosen people, not the church. Romans 9-11 explains this.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
How unloving, that's Antisemetic?

No it's the (TRUTH)!

Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed!
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Roman 9-11 speaks of the Jews separate from the church. They are not one in the same.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Roman 9-11 speaks of the Jews separate from the church. They are not one in the same.
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There is only one redeemer, (Jesus Christ) the future remnant Jew will be saved by their confession of Jesus Christ as Lord, they will then be (Added) to the Church present on earth

There is neither Jew nor Greek in the Church, you teach in error that there are (Two Peoples) of God, in (Dual Covenant) theology.

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
There is only one redeemer, (Jesus Christ) the future remnant Jew will be saved by their confession of Jesus Christ as Lord, they will then be (Added) to the Church present on earth

There is neither Jew nor Greek in the Church, you teach in error that there are (Two Peoples) of God, in (Dual Covenant) theology.

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Yes, the blinders will be taken off and they will recognize their Messiah. But God has a plan for the Jewish people that has nothing to do with the church. Brother EG has pointed that out. Can a nation be born in a day? It was and it was Israel. His promise and calling are everlasting.
 
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