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EleventhHour said:
Per capita it is the highest infection rate in the USA and higher than any Canadian province.
Your country has a long winter ahead
And this virus is now out of control in your country
Death rates go up as treatment becomes rationed

It is not so simple, that is all I am saying.
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it is very simple. it is a overblown hoax. real virus. overcooked numbers.

as of oct. 20, north dakota 18 i c u beds available, ( most of the medical facilities do not have i c u beds) , and 226 non-i c u beds available.

as of today, 11 i c u beds , 181 non i c u beds available.

so, again, not a crisis.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Per capita it is the highest infection rate in the USA and higher than any Canadian province.
Your country has a long winter ahead
And this virus is now out of control in your country
Death rates go up as treatment becomes rationed

It is not so simple, that is all I am saying.
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and, infection rates are not sick rates. as you know, people can have covid and show no symptoms.
 
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last week, the grand forks herald reported that north dakota hospitals had reached capacity.

well, i just gave the numbers above.

so, this headline and story was a clear lie. if cases and deaths are going up fast, the hospitals would still be full, and they are not, probably never were.

it just amazes me that folks keep falling for this fraud...
 
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gb9 said:
it is very simple. it is a overblown hoax. real virus. overcooked numbers.

as of oct. 20, north dakota 18 i c u beds available, ( most of the medical facilities do not have i c u beds) , and 226 non-i c u beds available.

as of today, 11 i c u beds , 181 non i c u beds available.

so, again, not a crisis.
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Can you post your source.

And I know that infection rates are not sick rates and not getting sick the first time does not mean you will not get sick the second time.

Tell the people's families that have needlessly died because of your president lack of leadership and lack of a coordinated federal effort.
 
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gb9 said:
last week, the grand forks herald reported that north dakota hospitals had reached capacity.

well, i just gave the numbers above.

so, this headline and story was a clear lie. if cases and deaths are going up fast, the hospitals would still be full, and they are not, probably never were.

it just amazes me that folks keep falling for this fraud...
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Where is your source, reports from the hospitals as to the number of available ICU beds and those in use?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Can you post your source.

And I know that infection rates are not sick rates and not getting sick the first time does not mean you will not get sick the second time.

Tell the people's families that have needlessly died because of your president lack of leadership and lack of a coordinated federal effort.
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Well I guess if the deaths go even higher next year it will be Biden's fault.
I am not a Trump fan but it is foolishness to blame him for everything.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Can you post your source.

And I know that infection rates are not sick rates and not getting sick the first time does not mean you will not get sick the second time.

Tell the people's families that have needlessly died because of your president lack of leadership and lack of a coordinated federal effort.
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after all the times i have been honest about the virus numbers, you still mis=trust.
there is a oct. 20 story on kxnet, com ( c b s affiliate) titled " 19 i c u beds ,226 non-i c u beds available in n.d. as of oct. 20.

that is where i got that number. in that story, there is a link to a site - datawrapper . dwcdn,net that provides n. d. hospital capacity.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Can you post your source.

And I know that infection rates are not sick rates and not getting sick the first time does not mean you will not get sick the second time.

Tell the people's families that have needlessly died because of your president lack of leadership and lack of a coordinated federal effort.
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the president cannot ORDER states to do things. that is why trump did not send in the army to portland to put down the b l m riots.

and blame china and world health organization for there attempted cover-up of the virus.
trump saved lives by halting flights from china, and most biden chastized him for doing so.
 
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after all the times i have been honest about the virus numbers, you still mis=trust.
there is a oct. 20 story on kxnet, com ( c b s affiliate) titled " 19 i c u beds ,226 non-i c u beds available in n.d. as of oct. 20.

that is where i got that number. in that story, there is a link to a site - datawrapper . dwcdn,net that provides n. d. hospital capacity.
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It is not you I mistrust, unlike some others :censored: it is just helpful to see the numbers and make sure they are comparing apples with apples etc.,
 
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EleventhHour said:
Where is your source, reports from the hospitals as to the number of available ICU beds and those in use?
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where are all your sources that you tout??

surly you do not need my help if you want actual accurate info about the virus.

if you want actual info.....
 
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gb9 said:
the president cannot ORDER states to do things. that is why trump did not send in the army to portland to put down the b l m riots.

and blame china and world health organization for there attempted cover-up of the virus.
trump saved lives by halting flights from china, and most biden chastized him for doing so.
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States do not have the capacity in some areas, you know at one point the individual states were bidding against each for PPE among other things.

You have your view I have mine.
 
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where are all your sources that you tout??

surly you do not need my help if you want actual accurate info about the virus.

if you want actual info.....
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John Hopkins and my calculator
 
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Well I guess if the deaths go even higher next year it will be Biden's fault.
I am not a Trump fan but it is foolishness to blame him for everything.
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He bears a good chunk... He sets the tone if nothing else.

He was throwing masks into the crowds, what leader does that when people have died... as an act of defiance, thought he was

invincible that his base would secure the election for him.. too bad he did not see that not all people are blind and gullible.
 
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EleventhHour said:
John Hopkins and my calculator
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you do know that john hopkins was in on event 201, where this whole thing was mapped out last year.

worldometers . net is much better, got numbers on every country in the world at easy access..
 
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you do know that john hopkins was in on event 201, where this whole thing was mapped out last year.

worldometers . net is much better, got numbers on every country in the world at easy access..
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I use WorldoMeter, John Hopkins aggregates the data from WorldOMeter

I also have family that work in hospitals both in the USA and in Canada, so I get a sense of what it happening on the front lines.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I use WorldoMeter, John Hopkins aggregates the data from WorldOMeter

I also have family that work in hospitals both in the USA and in Canada, so I get a sense of what it happening on the front lines.
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by the way, if you have not researched the " great reset", you might want to. your prime minister is 100% on board with it,
 
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It is a shame and saddens me that so many people are simply unaware of the psychological operations that the left and mainstream media have been conducting as a means of brainwashing them the past four years with the anti-Trump impeachment rhetoric; and the past eight months with the skewed CV19 Death rate reporting; and the more recent BLM/Antifa Peaceful Protests (don't believe your own eyes with all the violence, burning and looting)...

94% of COVID-19 deaths had underlying health problems, 6% died of virus alone: CDC

Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of November 16, 2020, by state(per 100,000 people)
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Influenza mortality rate during the 2017-2018 flu season in the United States, by age group*
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Translation of Deaths per 100,000 into Death Rate Percentage:
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BOTTOM LINE: FEAR NOT the RAW CV DEATH REPORTING from the MAINSTREAM MEDIA! At the end of the day while it is deadly and should be respected as such, but it is not significantly worse than the FLU... Elderly and Individuals with Weak Immune Systems need to shelter in place and await the rapid development of the VACCINE (attributed to POTUS Operation Warp Speed) and we will persevere without having to cripple the livelihood of the small businessman and the families that need to get back to work and back to school.
 
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