The Law of God - who is it meant for and why?

[BenjaminN]

No Jew is obligated to keep the mosaic law today. it cannot sanctify.

 

[BenjaminN]

For all who believe Jesus-Yeshua, the law by faith is established in our inwar4d parts on our hearts.

In other words, we learn the law is correct and just in accordance with tthe teaching of the Master. We are no longer guilty of sin, but we are in position in our relation with God to be counted as without sin because Messiah dwells within.

You will never learn this from the written text unless it is revealed to you by His Holy Spirit. YOu may copy and paste the entire Bible, but without the Holy Spirit, it is to no avail.

It is better one word with understanding than many quotes without.

Verses please ??

Hebrews 8 (ESV)

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."

 

[throughfaith]

Again, we do not uphold the law to be saved. Because we are saved by God's grace, through his gifted faith, God prepared good works, not contrary to his will, his commandments, his law, for our lives. When we sin under God's law, we repent in sanctification, because we are saved.

How can there be sin, if there is no law, the law is God's will, his commandments, God's will can not perish or change. There is still law, but God's faith-gifted ones' condemnation under the law has been removed by the blood sacrifice of Christ Yeshua.


1 John 1 (ESV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

You may as well be quoting the message bible to me . Sorry i cannot accept the Esv . Hope you understand. God bless .

 

[throughfaith]

Hebrews 8 (ESV)

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."

That's talking about Israel. It even Says Israel. The context is Israel. No matter how much you try make the gentiles fit into passages about Israel no one should believe you .

 

[BenjaminN]

Paul did not teach lawlessness. Paul taught salvation by grace, through faith, that leads to good works within God's law, prepared beforehand by God. Peter however in his time already, warned about the lawless people that twists Paul's words to their own liking.

So if not following God's will, his commandments, his law, what is does the church do, so that God can know their works which He has prepared, following the faith he gifted them with, with their salvation by grace, through the Holy Spirit?:


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


Revelation 2 (ESV)

1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: 'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3 I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'


2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

People always twist Paul into teaching lawlessness. He is attacked over and over for this . Galatians and Romans 6

You quote Paul to reach a state of lawlessness.

Look again, I said Paul did not teach lawlessness. If there is not lawlessness, there is law. Salvation however is not attained through upholding the law, that was Paul's message. The good works (like keeping God's Sabbath, which is one of God's eternal wills/commands, see Exodus 31:16), within God's law, prepared by God beforehand, for his saved peoples, however is not lawless, but within God's law.


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[BenjaminN]

You may as well be quoting the message bible to me . Sorry i cannot accept the Esv . Hope you understand. God bless .

Some other people prefer the ESV to a 450 year old KJV english text - the language has changed over this 450 years, and the English Standard Version (ESV) just translates it into today's English language, and not that of Shakespeare. I can quote you in my home language as well, it would be a different bible translation, and you would be able to look up the text in your preferred translation. Feel free to check the translation of your choice.

 

[BenjaminN]

That's talking about Israel. It even Says Israel. The context is Israel. No matter how much you try make the gentiles fit into passages about Israel no one should believe you .

So you are not grafted into Israel?

 

[throughfaith]

So you are not grafted into Israel?

Not in the way you teach on here no .

 

[throughfaith]

Some other people prefer the ESV to a 450 year old KJV english text - the language has changed over this 450 years, and the English Standard Version (ESV) just translates it into today's English language, and not that of Shakespeare. I can quote you in my home language as well, it would be a different bible translation, and you would be able to look up the text in your preferred translation. Feel free to check the translation of your choice.

That's the most niave thing anyone can say about the modern translation s . You would do well to check the differences and compare . The entire meaning is different in numerous verses and passages.

 

[JaumeJ]

Verses please ??

If all your authority is dead text and the Holy Spirit does not testify to your heart, I am afraid I cannot help you understand.

 

[throughfaith]

If all your authority is dead text and the Holy Spirit does not testify to your heart, I am afraid I cannot help you understand.

Dead text? seriously ?

 

[throughfaith]

You quote Paul to reach a state of lawlessness.

Look again, I said Paul did not teach lawlessness. If there is not lawlessness, there is law. Salvation however is not attained through upholding the law, that was Paul's message. The good works (like keeping God's Sabbath, which is one of God's eternal wills/commands, see Exodus 31:16), within God's law, prepared by God beforehand, for his saved peoples, however is not lawless, but within God's law.


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

There's no mention of ' sabbath ' before the mosaic law. Its a day of rest not worship.

 

[BenjaminN]

Not in the way you teach on here no .

In which way are you grafted in, not Jew and Gentile grafted in alike, in the root Christ Yeshua?

 

[BenjaminN]

Dead text? seriously ?

God's will, his commandments, his law, is not dead, that would be a state of lawlessness, under the anti-Christ, who cannot profess his faith to be a gift from God, as his faith is coming from the self for the self, and he will be proclaiming himself as the god - humanism.

 

[BenjaminN]

There's no mention of ' sabbath ' before the mosaic law. Its a day of rest not worship.

in God and Christ Yeshua.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hello brothers and sisters, I posted this short article about certain "purposes" for the Law of God in the middle of someone else's thread today, but I thought that it might be interesting to continue to discuss it in a thread of its own.

So here you go

What do you think of the different "purposes" or "uses" for the Law of God that are mentioned in the article and/or what do you think of Dr. Sproul's short commentary about all of it and why

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THE THREEFOLD USE OF THE LAW​

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Every Christian wrestles with the question, how does the Old Testament law relate to my life? Is the Old Testament law irrelevant to Christians or is there some sense in which we are still bound by portions of it? As the heresy of antinomianism becomes ever more pervasive in our culture, the need to answer these questions grows increasingly urgent.​

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The Reformation was founded on grace and not upon law. Yet the law of God was not repudiated by the Reformers. John Calvin, for example, wrote what has become known as the “Threefold Use of the Law” in order to show the importance of the law for the Christian life.​

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The first purpose of the law is to be a mirror. On the one hand, the law of God reflects and mirrors the perfect righteousness of God. The law tells us much about who God is. Perhaps more important, the law illumines human sinfulness. Augustine wrote, “The law orders, that we, after attempting to do what is ordered, and so feeling our weakness under the law, may learn to implore the help of grace.”2 The law highlights our weakness so that we might seek the strength found in Christ. Here the law acts as a severe schoolmaster who drives us to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25).​

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A second purpose for the law is the restraint of evil. The law, in and of itself, cannot change human hearts. It can, however, serve to protect the righteous from the unjust. Calvin says this purpose is “by means of its fearful denunciations and the consequent dread of punishment, to curb those who, unless forced, have no regard for rectitude and justice.”3 The law allows for a limited measure of justice on this earth, until the last judgment is realized.​

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The third purpose of the law is to reveal what is pleasing to God. As born-again children of God, the law enlightens us as to what is pleasing to our Father, whom we seek to serve. The Christian delights in the law as God Himself delights in it. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). This is the highest function of the law, to serve as an instrument for the people of God to give Him honor and glory.​

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By studying or meditating on the law of God, we attend the school of righteousness. We learn what pleases God and what offends Him. The moral law that God reveals in Scripture is always binding upon us. Our redemption is from the curse of God’s law, not from our duty to obey it. We are justified, not because of our obedience to the law, but in order that we may become obedient to God’s law. To love Christ is to keep His commandments. To love God is to obey His law.​

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Summary​

1. The church today has been invaded by antinomianism, which weakens, rejects, or distorts the law of God.​

2. The law of God is a mirror of God’s holiness and our unrighteousness. It serves to reveal to us our need of a savior.​

3. The law of God is a restraint against sin.​

4. The law of God reveals what is pleasing and what is offensive to God.​

5. The Christian is to love the law of God and to obey the moral law of God.​

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Biblical passages for reflection:​

Psalm 19:7-11​

Psalm 119:9-16​

Romans 7:7-25​

Romans 8:3-4​

1 Corinthians 7:19​

Galatians 3:24​

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~Excerpt from Essential Truths Of The Christian Faith by R. C. Sproul © (Tyndale 1992)​

Thanks

~Deut
p.s. - some of the ideas that are found in the following passage were brought up a couple of times in the other thread (that I mentioned above), so I'll post it here because chances are good that it will be brought up again. Unbelievers are the ones principally in view here, just FYI.

Romans 2​

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. ​

13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. ​

14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, ​

15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.​

16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.​

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The law of God ( the bible, his inspired words) are his instructions to his regenerated children as to how he wants them to live their lives here on earth. They are also to inform his regenerated children as to how he has saved them eternally to live with him in heaven. The law of God is not written to the unregenerate natural man instructing him how to get eternally saved.

 

[JaumeJ]

You really should read Genesis from the beginning to end.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

But it says ' the house of Israel ' ? things different are not the same. God will cause Israel to walk in his statutes by putting the law in their minds . Future .

Future, Yes, but also past and present.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I'm saying that's not a verse I can use for Gentiles . Its clearly Israel. It says 'Israel '. It says things specific to Israel .
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
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Jacob, surnamed Israel, is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, all of God's elect.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We are grafted in . But that verse still says ' Israel ' I don't see why God would say he's going to do something with Israel and then not do it?

Jacob as Israel is not the whole nation of Israel.