The Law of God - who is it meant for and why?

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Who Is The Law Of God Meant For?

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JaumeJ

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The way that some see it is that every command, demand, warning, and "do this and or I (God) will..." Is law. Every time God say I will, or have done... Without a condition or command attached is Gospel.
So when God told Abraham that he will make him a great nation that is gospel, the covenant when Abraham was asleep also gospel. Jesus telling people to do this or that is law. I really do suggest reading the 5th article of the formula of Concord: epitome. It explains law and gospel very well.
Hello BP.

There are two commandments, apparent that is, which are impossible for anyone to fulfill. The first is we shall be holy for God is holy. The second is we hall be perfect for God is perfect.

Keeping these in my heart for some time, decades, I realized that these are not really commands so much as promises in love from Love, our Father.

He is the One Who began the work in each of us and H3e only will fulfill, finish, this work on His Day of Glory. Now it is true, we can be holy, but not to perfection until He completes all.

I believe this fits entirely well with you eason from the Word. Thank you for the lesson. All blessings in Jesu-Yeshua... j
 
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I am, but I wanted to also point out that God loved and wanted to care for the gentiles as well as the Israelites. They weren't favorites in the sense that God loves them more than God loves gentiles.
Ephesians 2:11-12 is clear that, in time past, gentiles were without God, unlike Israel

That is why Jesus could legitimately state what he did in Matthew 15:24
 
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I am, but I wanted to also point out that God loved and wanted to care for the gentiles as well as the Israelites. They weren't favorites in the sense that God loves them more than God loves gentiles.
Right they were only favored as a root for salvation for all.
 

Grandpa

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We are grafted in . But that verse still says ' Israel ' I don't see why God would say he's going to do something with Israel and then not do it?
I don't understand how you think God hasn't done it?
 

Truth7t7

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Its the essence of the New Covenant given first to physical Israel. Which they rejected and then was subsequently given to the whole world.

Romans 11:16-17
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Pretty simple, Jesus Christ is the Olive Tree, and the chosen remnant elect Jew will be grafted in when they are saved and added to the Church.

Not all ethnic Jews will be saved as many falsely teach, (All Israel Will Be Saved)
 

Grandpa

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Pretty simple, Jesus Christ is the Olive Tree, and the chosen remnant elect Jew will be grafted in when they are saved and added to the Church.

Not all ethnic Jews will be saved as many falsely teach, (All Israel Will Be Saved)
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


There are a couple of really simple scriptures that show who Israel is and who the promises are to.

I don't know why so many people try to portray some sort of dual gospel. There is One Way to be Saved. There is One Way to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Aren't these scriptures simple and obvious? How can a person argue against them?
 

luigi

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Romans 9:
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Aren't these scriptures simple and obvious? How can a person argue against them?
Because some want to continue living for their worldly flesh, and still claim spiritual salvation.
 

luigi

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Does not Paul in Romans 6:19 tell us to leave our worldly flesh so that we may become servants to faith?
Just because we are not saved by works, does not mean to cease from leaving our worldly sins behind us. Repenting/Leaving our worldly sins behind us is a first step, so that we may believe in the Spirit by which we may then live.

Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
 

ForestGreenCook

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That would be a very serious mistake. Take some time to carefully study the matter, using the whole Bible as your foundation.
Isaiah 45:4, For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name, I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Romans 9:10 through 12.
 

Truth7t7

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Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


There are a couple of really simple scriptures that show who Israel is and who the promises are to.

I don't know why so many people try to portray some sort of dual gospel. There is One Way to be Saved. There is One Way to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Aren't these scriptures simple and obvious? How can a person argue against them?
The movement withing the professing church that denies this presented truth, are Zionist, Christian Zionism, John Hagee is a prime example, the words below are rejected by these Zionist, as if they dont exist.

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
 

Truth7t7

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Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


There are a couple of really simple scriptures that show who Israel is and who the promises are to.

I don't know why so many people try to portray some sort of dual gospel. There is One Way to be Saved. There is One Way to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Aren't these scriptures simple and obvious? How can a person argue against them?
I agree, many are unaware that Judaism in the majority hold the Talmud above old testament scripture

Many are unaware that inside the Talmud, is filth from past Rabbis?

Example: Jesus was boiled in human feces, it's ok to steal and kill goyim/gentiles, etc (Filth)

Many are unaware that many in Judaism are into the Kabbalah the book of the occult.

Zionism within places that call themselves the church, teach this is the (Apple of Gods Eye)?

When this truth is exposed, the false claims of Antisemetism appear, not giving acknowledgement to the evil presented.
 

BenjaminN

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Because Israel s national salvation is yet future .
Agreed. "God gave them a spirit of stupor. A partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved".

Romans 11 (ESV)


7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." 9 And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; 10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever." 11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! 13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. 25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
 

throughfaith

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Jesus rendered the law inoperable at the cross . Gentiles were never under the mosaic law ( 613) .
Jesus speaking to a Jewish audience said :
17¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Speaking to the fact it was still operable whilst their messiah lived . But made inoperable at His death .
 

BenjaminN

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Jesus rendered the law inoperable at the cross . Gentiles were never under the mosaic law ( 613) .
Jesus speaking to a Jewish audience said :
17¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Speaking to the fact it was still operable whilst their messiah lived . But made inoperable at His death .
Christ Yeshua is ALL of US Christian's Jewish-born, Messiah.

Christ Yeshua's second coming has yet to be fulfilled.


Matthew 5 (KJV


18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Revelation 20 (KJV)


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The law remains, until ALL BE FULFILLED, and at the moment when this heaven and earth pass, every man is judged according to his works written in the books. There is however another book, the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, and all whose names were written in it, those who received God's gift of faith by the grace of their salvation by God, since the foundation of the world, are set free by the blood of the Lamb that was. slain.
 

throughfaith

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#77
Christ Yeshua is ALL of US Christian's Jewish-born, Messiah.

Christ Yeshua's second coming has yet to be fulfilled.


Matthew 5 (KJV


18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Revelation 20 (KJV)


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The law remains, until ALL BE FULFILLED, and at the moment when this heaven and earth pass, every man is judged according to his works written in the books. There is however another book, the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, and all whose names were written in it, those who received God's gift of faith by the grace of their salvation by God, since the foundation of the world, are set free by the blood of the Lamb that was. The law was until the death
Christ Yeshua is ALL of US Christian's Jewish-born, Messiah.

Christ Yeshua's second coming has yet to be fulfilled.


Matthew 5 (KJV


18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Revelation 20 (KJV)


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The law remains, until ALL BE FULFILLED, and at the moment when this heaven and earth pass, every man is judged according to his works written in the books. There is however another book, the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, and all whose names were written in it, those who received God's gift of faith by the grace of their salvation by God, since the foundation of the world, are set free by the blood of the Lamb that was. slain.
Lol 😆 your too much man ..come on which denomination are you from ,if you don't mind answering ? have you read Galations that tells us about the fulfilment of the law ?
 

JaumeJ

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Lol 😆 your too much man ..come on which denomination are you from ,if you don't mind answering ? have you read Galations that tells us about the fulfilment of the law ?
People who believe Jesus-Yeshua do not ridicule what He teaches in His Presence or in His prophesies.
 

throughfaith

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People who believe Jesus-Yeshua do not ridicule what He teaches in His Presence or in His prophesies.
That's assuming its what Jesus teaches. Clearly the law is now inoperative . Jesus was still upholding the law whilst he lived . That is what was foretold . His life was not the fulfillment. The law was fulfilled upon his death . So heaven and earth would have had to have passed before he fulfilled. Heaven and earth did not pass therfore it WAS fulfilled at his death . He's speaking to jews telling them that his ministry at that time ( his life , his teachings ect) was not to abolish the law . But he was going to fulfil it at the cross. This what Galations, Romans ,Hebrews ect is telling us . The law was to drive ISRAEL to faith. Gentiles were never UNDER the law .
 

throughfaith

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Christ Yeshua is ALL of US Christian's Jewish-born, Messiah.

Christ Yeshua's second coming has yet to be fulfilled.


Matthew 5 (KJV


18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Revelation 20 (KJV)


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The law remains, until ALL BE FULFILLED, and at the moment when this heaven and earth pass, every man is judged according to his works written in the books. There is however another book, the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, and all whose names were written in it, those who received God's gift of faith by the grace of their salvation by God, since the foundation of the world, are set free by the blood of the Lamb that was. slain.
The law began at Sinai when God made a covenant with the nation of Israel (Ex. 24:8; Deut. 29:1) and ended when Christ finished His redemptive work on the cross. “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ” (Jn. 1:17).

The New Testament gives specific statements that the law ended with Christ. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace” (Rom. 6:14). “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (Gal. 3:24-25). Paul often uses the word katarge?, meaning to put away or abolish in describing the ending of the law: “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances” (Eph. 2:15; see also 2 Cor. 3:7, 11, 14, “done away;” 3:13, “abolished”).