Why do Jesus alllow this?

shittim · Nov 14, 2020

It has been said abundantly , the "church" is the "eklesia" or body of believers not an institution or organization. Right practice of worship is relationship with the Father through the authority of the risen Christ who indwells the believer.
Islame, RC, Episcopalian, pretty much anything that ends in "ism" is a religion, not a right relationship.
Any reading of scripture should reveal this truth.
Religions pretty much are the "outward form" of godliness Jesus spoke of concerning these days and He goes on to say His Own who do not deny and walk in His power will do greater things than even He.
We are seeing this truth born out.

Rosemaryx · Nov 14, 2020

Magenta said:

Jesus
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)

Muhammad
Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)

Jesus
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

Muhammad
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Takyya = Permitted lying, especially for the sake of the spread of Islam.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

Jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Muhammad
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

Jesus
Beheaded no one. Even healed the Roman centurion whose ear
Peter cut off when they arrested Jesus prior to His crucifixion.

Muhammad
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)

Jesus
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

Muhammad
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Jesus
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

Muhammad
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)

Jesus
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

Muhammad
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
In fact, murdering others while self immolating is their only assurance of salvation

Jesus
Was celibate.

Muhammad
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
Mohammed was a serial rapist.

Jesus
Did not have sex with children.

Muhammad
Had sexual intercourse with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Jesus
Never harmed a woman.

Muhammad
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Jesus
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

Muhammad
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)

Jesus
Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.

Muhammad
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )

Jesus
Never took captives. Never killed anyone.

Muhammad
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)

Jesus
"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

Muhammad
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)

Jesus
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

Muhammad
Was never tortured, but tortured others.

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)

Muhammad
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)

Jesus
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

Muhammad
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

Jesus
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

Muhammad
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

Jesus
Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

Muhammad
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Demanded nothing for himself. Lived and died without possessions.

Muhammad
Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.

Jesus
Was crucified himself.

Muhammad
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Jesus gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)

Mahammed had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

Sounds like Satan, totally opposite to our Savior ...
Thank God for our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ... Amen...
...xox...

shittim · Nov 14, 2020

Islame and the RC were both created after the early church age, both are "religions" and do not teach relationship, islame teaching that G-d is so much higher He is unknowable, way off the track of truth.
The edicts proclaimed by imam's are not in line with the Galatians 5 attributes of Holy Spirit and pretty much are the opposite, and we know G-d is not confused, satan is the author of confusion.
Thank you Jesus, the only begotten Son of G-d.

posthuman · Nov 14, 2020

EternalSoul said:

which one of us would even exist today if God judged evil immediately and without mercy?

if You, Lord, should mark iniquities,

o Lord, who could stand?

but there is forgiveness with You,

that You may be feared.

(Psalm 130:3-4)

infinitekhanol · Nov 14, 2020

kaylagrl said:

The last time I checked, Gentiles means non - Jews. And, the nations practicing Islam are not part of the Jewish nation.

We call God, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, which means He has a Jewish name. I do not speak Hebrew language but I call him God which is english. In my local dialect God is translated to a local name for better understanding of the people who speak the language. In the same way, Allah to those who speak Arabic is the arabic name for God. They serve the same God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob which we serve but this does not mean we belong to the same religion. I do not subscribe to the manner of their worship but that does not mean we do not serve the same God or they are not my brothers and sisters. That I do not subscribe to the way and manner a particular Christian denomination worships God does not show they worship a different God. It is our understanding of the Way that differs. I have seen that a lot in this CC!!.

Just like the Jews, Muslims regard Christians as Polytheists who supposedly believe in and worship separate “gods”. We know this is untrue but we appear to them as such. They do not have the full understanding of Christianity, the way I can perceive you do not have understanding of their religion. As Christians, we must be careful how we deride others and must at least try to get our facts right before we speak. The same views you are expressing here seem to represent the same things people spread about Jews in the past because they rejected Christ Jesus which caused enormous hatred of the jews in the minds of people. This is not the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are commissioned to witness the gospel to all nations and not commissioned to censure or be a judge of persons of our choice. We should carry out this commission by rightly upholding Jesus Christ’s teaching and example, not by condemnation and ridicule arising from misapprehension of the Scripture which we purport to teach and preach.

I say thank you for realising that I need to be saved.

bud62 · Nov 14, 2020

bud62 said:

IF you don't believe this , LOOK A JOB, HE was A perfect MAN in HIS DAY , THE BIBLE SAYS

infinitekhanol · Nov 14, 2020

kaylagrl said:

This is news to me. My understanding of them is way different. You are entitled to your opinion.

Scribe · Nov 14, 2020

EternalSoul said:

Because God has not wiped out the world yet does not mean He won't. There is coming a day when he will unleash a series of judgments that will dispossess the earth of it's unlawful inhabitants and give it to the meek.

Eventually in the prophetic timeline we are told that the very elements of this present earth will be dissolved with a fervent heat and this judgment will render it without form and void once again. He will create a new earth and new heavens and there will be perfect righteousness and no sin. In that eternal future there will be no such wickedness as what you have described. HE WILL NOT ALLOW IT.

All the wicked will be burning in the lake of fire for all eternity and gnashing their teeth in pain and torment, weeping and wailing. That wicked man who killed that 6 year old and all others who rejected the gift of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ will be there as well.

But your desired hope of a justice where such wicked things will not be ALLOWED will be the reality of eternity. So make sure that you are on the winning side.

The greatest question you could ask today is "Why does God allow me to be forgiven of my past sins and promise me eternal life in Jesus Christ?" and learn the answer to this. I know it may be hard, but our focus must be on our own wickedness or otherwise we would end up in the same lake of fire as the baby killer. That may not seem fair to those that do not think they are wicked, but to reject the gift offered by God that cost him sending his own son to die on a cross and rise again to accomplish on our behalf is the most wicked of all sins. And unless we see the black hideousness of our own sins we cannot appreciate what He accomplished for us and will always be asking questions about other peoples sins.

Magenta · Nov 14, 2020

infinitekhanol said:

Perhaps it is time you learned what The RCC has taught over the years.

They burned protestants and Jews at the stake believing them to be heretics.

Godcares · Nov 14, 2020

EternalSoul said:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ring-putting-ourselves-in-god’s-shoes.195598/

infinitekhanol · Nov 15, 2020

Magenta said:

As per their teachings, I still say my understanding of them is far different from what you and kaylagrl seem to believe.

As per the heretics, I follow Paul to say, as written in Philippians 3:13, - this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forth unto those things which are before. We cannot continue to hold on to the past or else we will miss the mark.These things happened far way back and I understand the Popes have apologised for the sins of their past. Those involved are far gone and are of blessed memory. We should allow God to judge. Ours is to forgive. That is where I stand.

Magenta · Nov 15, 2020

infinitekhanol said:

Do you know the pope has said that the Bible and the Koran are the same?

I would say him doing so shows how far off the RCC has missed the mark.

But you can believe they are all tickety-boo if you prefer.

Magenta · Nov 15, 2020

Pope Francis was quoted telling the Vatican’s guests that the Koran, and the spiritual teachings contained therein, are just as valid as the Holy Bible. Yeah, how can that be when Islam denies that Jesus is God, and denies that Jesus was crucified and rose again (Quran 4:157; Surah 4:157)? The Koran is the work of one man, Mohammed, who confessed to being a false prophet: "I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to him words which he has not spoken." (Al Tabari, The History of Al-Tabari, vol. 6, p.111). He also admitted to having mistaken the words of "Satan" (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp.165-166) as Allah's. The Bible, on the other hand, is acknowledged to be the work of the Holy Spirit of God through forty different people spanning centuries. Or @infinitekhanol do you deny that as well?

infinitekhanol · Nov 15, 2020

Magenta said:

I know it is fake news because he cannot say something like that. I know this Pope preaches peace and is against religious violence. I know the vatican debunked the fake news when it came out. unfortunately it spread like wildfire since most people are happy to see only what they want to see, so they don't ask questions.
You can check the below url which shows you why it is fake news apart from the denial coming from the Vatican.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ews-pope-francis-did-not-say-koran-and-holy-/

Magenta · Nov 15, 2020

infinitekhanol said:

I suppose he (and others of his ilk) cannot say a lot of things they have

According to the Bible, only those who believe in Jesus Christ have the right to call themselves children of God, but the pope calls Muslims the same even though they reject the propitiatory sacrifice Christ made on the cross for the remission of sins. They say it did not even happen! Tell me the pope did not kiss the Koan either

Lanolin · Nov 15, 2020

maybe the pope cant read arabic, and has no idea whats in the koran.
some people cant read you know.
Thats why we have translators, but then some people dont even read in their own language.

another thing is a lot of people dont read the Bible and its very quite obvious when they talk about stuff as they show no understanding of it at all, hence these strange questions that anyone who has actually read the Bible would not even ask.

Lanolin · Nov 15, 2020

so I would say to OP
FIRST read the Bible. Go away and read it from cover to cover. I dont care if it takes you a year or two. Read it. Every word.

Then come back and ask your questions.

infinitekhanol · Nov 15, 2020

Magenta said:

Well, first of all, the picture you posted did not show that the Pope said what you said he said in your earlier post. Secondly, I said in my post that I know he preaches Peace, so, if he is meeting other religious leaders to discuss peace and non religious violence, I do not see anything wrong with that. Thirdly, as far as I am concerned Muslims are also the children of God and our brothers and sisters whether we believe it or not. This does not mean we share the same religion.

Rosemaryx · Nov 15, 2020

infinitekhanol said:

Well, first of all, the picture you posted did not show that the Pope said what you said he said in your earlier post. Secondly, I said in my post that I know he preaches Peace, so, if he is meeting other religious leaders to discuss peace and non religious violence, I do not see anything wrong with that. Thirdly, as far as I am concerned Muslims are also the children of God and our brothers and sisters whether we believe it or not. This does not mean we share the same religion.

Anyone who is not in Christ Jesus is a child of Gods wrath...

infinitekhanol · Nov 15, 2020

Rosemaryx said:

Let it be to you as you believe.

Why do Jesus alllow this?

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