'Election Legal Process - the Constitution – and What Happens IF a STATE IS UNABLE to CERTIFY it’s RESULTS?’

[Solemateleft]

This thread was spawn from the Election Fraud Evidence vs No Evidence thread…

IMHO From a Big Picture stand-point ALL the Left and Right posturing going on right now is merely both sides striving to Win AND Avoid a Civil Unrest/War... It's important to get this right now - as the integrity and trust in our democracy weighs in the balance for the foreseeable future.

I’m by no means a Constitutional Lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday-Inn Express a few times… LOL, I have been tuning in to Newsmax’s ‘The Warroom’ show and this is my understanding in laymen’s terms of what is in the realm of possibilities from a strategic level for how the Right aspires to win back the democracy of the United States of America; and if the Data Transparency proves the outcome is valid - they will CONCEDE defeat that they lost fair and square:

During most of our life-times our understanding of the credibility of the Electoral College system is based upon the underlying assumption that each State’s election results are deemed CERTIFIABLE… BUT, what if enough State’s election results are deemed UN-CERTIFIABLE, what happens? The Constitutional Election process becomes a bit different than the historic norms that we have come to understand – as it pertains to the Electoral College…

In this case the Data Science and Statistical Analyses can serve to ensure a COMPLETE AUDIT of the respective States in question; where a RECOUNT would merely RECOUNT the potentially flawed data on hand… A COMPLETE AUDIT has the ability to expose the VERACITY of the respective State Elections.

In our lifetimes much of the Constitutional Election legal bureaucracy is resolved in the 1st Quarter of the Game (sports analogy) as the majority of time the candidate that comes up on the losing end of the Electoral College results CONCEDES DEFEAT… This is HUGE from a legal processing standpoint… Think of it as the difference between a Civil Divorce VS a Contested Divorce (where cheating is involved)… Because it is only in the Contested Divorce where Discovery becomes a factor…

Most people do not understand the Constitutional Election Process if and when the Electoral College is unable to certify that either candidate has obtained 270 Electoral College Votes… If the Electoral College is unable to Certify a Valid Winner it goes to the Supreme Court (2nd Quarter)…

If the Supreme Court is unable to resolve an outcome on the same grounds that States are unable to Certify their respective State Election Results – than it goes back to Congress (3rd Quarter)…

This is where it gets interesting because the Constitutional Law specifies that each State Delegation will decide the vote for their respective States based upon the respective majority of state representatives for each given State… Currently the Republicans own 30 state delegates and Democrats own 20 states.

4th Quarter – if it comes to it – The Constitutional Process would re-elect President Trump as a result of the legal process – based upon the Statistical Evidence provided proving that X number of States were unable to Certify the Integrity of their Election Results.

Statistical Evidence is an ESSENTIAL means to demonstrate TRANSPARENCY regardless of the outcome to Mitigate Civil Unrest/War…

If the Left is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the State Elections in question – the extreme RIGHT is unlikely to take this news lightly… At best will lead to lack of trust in the integrity of our democracy for the foreseeable future, at worst Leads to Civil Unrest…

If the Right is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the allegations of wrong-doing – the Left will RIOT and BURN our CITIES…

Help me out here… What do we know or think might happen? Does anyone else find it a little Odd that Trump as been so silent for so long? Some suspect this his surprising effort on his part to show some ‘tactical patience’ to allow his strategic approach to play out…

 

[calibob]

This thread was spawn from the Election Fraud Evidence vs No Evidence thread…

IMHO From a Big Picture stand-point ALL the Left and Right posturing going on right now is merely both sides striving to Win AND Avoid a Civil Unrest/War... It's important to get this right now - as the integrity and trust in our democracy weighs in the balance for the foreseeable future.

I’m by no means a Constitutional Lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday-Inn Express a few times… LOL, I have been tuning in to Newsmax’s ‘The Warroom’ show and this is my understanding in laymen’s terms of what is in the realm of possibilities from a strategic level for how the Right aspires to win back the democracy of the United States of America; and if the Data Transparency proves the outcome is valid - they will CONCEDE defeat that they lost fair and square:

During most of our life-times our understanding of the credibility of the Electoral College system is based upon the underlying assumption that each State’s election results are deemed CERTIFIABLE… BUT, what if enough State’s election results are deemed UN-CERTIFIABLE, what happens? The Constitutional Election process becomes a bit different than the historic norms that we have come to understand – as it pertains to the Electoral College…

In this case the Data Science and Statistical Analyses can serve to ensure a COMPLETE AUDIT of the respective States in question; where a RECOUNT would merely RECOUNT the potentially flawed data on hand… A COMPLETE AUDIT has the ability to expose the VERACITY of the respective State Elections.

In our lifetimes much of the Constitutional Election legal bureaucracy is resolved in the 1st Quarter of the Game (sports analogy) as the majority of time the candidate that comes up on the losing end of the Electoral College results CONCEDES DEFEAT… This is HUGE from a legal processing standpoint… Think of it as the difference between a Civil Divorce VS a Contested Divorce (where cheating is involved)… Because it is only in the Contested Divorce where Discovery becomes a factor…

Most people do not understand the Constitutional Election Process if and when the Electoral College is unable to certify that either candidate has obtained 270 Electoral College Votes… If the Electoral College is unable to Certify a Valid Winner it goes to the Supreme Court (2nd Quarter)…

If the Supreme Court is unable to resolve an outcome on the same grounds that States are unable to Certify their respective State Election Results – than it goes back to Congress (3rd Quarter)…

This is where it gets interesting because the Constitutional Law specifies that each State Delegation will decide the vote for their respective States based upon the respective majority of state representatives for each given State… Currently the Republicans own 30 state delegates and Democrats own 20 states.

4th Quarter – if it comes to it – The Constitutional Process would re-elect President Trump as a result of the legal process – based upon the Statistical Evidence provided proving that X number of States were unable to Certify the Integrity of their Election Results.

Statistical Evidence is an ESSENTIAL means to demonstrate TRANSPARENCY regardless of the outcome to Mitigate Civil Unrest/War…

If the Left is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the State Elections in question – the extreme RIGHT is unlikely to take this news lightly… At best will lead to lack of trust in the integrity of our democracy for the foreseeable future, at worst Leads to Civil Unrest…

If the Right is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the allegations of wrong-doing – the Left will RIOT and BURN our CITIES…

Help me out here… What do we know or think might happen? Does anyone else find it a little Odd that Trump as been so silent for so long? Some suspect this his surprising effort on his part to show some ‘tactical patience’ to allow his strategic approach to play out…

So Pence still has a chance. I'll vote for him!

 

[Magenta]

If the Right is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility
of the allegations of wrong-doing – the Left will RIOT and BURN our CITIES…

Even if the right is declared the winner with statistical analytical defense etc, the left will riot and burn cities. My opinion

 

[Magenta]

While they riot and burn cities down and assault and murder people who do not fall
lock-step in line with their world view, they will cry about needing protection

 

[calibob]

Even if the right is declared the winner with statistical analytical defense etc, the left will riot and burn cities. My opinion

Sadly, that may be true. A few loudmouted rabblerousers in a crowd of people could start a chain reaction. We've seen it before. In fact I think the jury let OJ off the hook, because the Rodney King riots were a recent memory then. The Jury lived in LA and were afraid of another riot. I was.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Most people do not understand the Constitutional Election Process if and when the Electoral College is unable to certify that either candidate has obtained 270 Electoral College Votes… If the Electoral College is unable to Certify a Valid Winner it goes to the Supreme Court

Do you know who Congress designated to be voted for on Tuesday following the first Monday in the month of November?
Hint- it isn't the President and Vice President.

Do you know what date that votes are cast for the President and Vice President ?
Hint- it isn't the first Tuesday after the first Monday in the month of November.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Hint- it isn't the President and Vice President.

Do you know what date that votes are cast for the President and Vice President?
Hint- it isn't the first Tuesday after the first Monday in the month of November.

Do you know who Congress designated to be voted for on Tuesday following the first Monday in the month of November?

Spoiler: Source

See 3 U.S. Code Chapter 1 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES § 1

Statute II, Ch. 1 28th Congressional Session [2] , US Congress, approved January 23, 1845. An Act to establish a uniform time for holding elections for electors of President and Vice President in all the States of the Union [https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/28th-congress.php]

Do you know what date that votes are cast for the President and Vice President ?

Spoiler: SOURCE

3 U.S. Code § 7. Meeting and vote of electors

• The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.

 

[Solemateleft]

Do you know who Congress designated to be voted for on Tuesday following the first Monday in the month of November?

Spoiler: Source

See 3 U.S. Code Chapter 1 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES § 1

Statute II, Ch. 1 28th Congressional Session [2] , US Congress, approved January 23, 1845. An Act to establish a uniform time for holding elections for electors of President and Vice President in all the States of the Union [https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/28th-congress.php]

Do you know what date that votes are cast for the President and Vice President ?

Spoiler: SOURCE

3 U.S. Code § 7. Meeting and vote of electors

• The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.

Thanks for the insight... Reinforces that Right's Strategic Plan... to declare the election in questionable states as 'uncertifiable' - thus granting the Electoral College Members to not feel obligated to vote based upon the questionably-corrupt election results... The 'uncertifiable' nature of election results is the forcing function to also allow the Electoral College the option to defer the outcome to the Supreme Court and ultimately to Congress...

 

[UnoiAmarah]

.. Reinforces that Right's Strategic Plan... to declare the election in questionable states as 'uncertifiable' -

The Elections official of each state certifies the results according to the laws of their own State.

- thus granting the Electoral College Members to not feel obligated to vote based upon the questionably-corrupt election results..

In the recent decision of the Supreme Court [see 19-465 Chiafalo v. Washington (07-06-2020)] the Justices ruled 9-0 that Electors are bound to vote as determined by the election results certified by the Election official of their respective State. If an Elector does not vote in accordance with the Election official's directive of their respective State, the State can nullify the vote of an Elector that does not vote as pledged and replace them with an Elector that will.

So no, the Electors in those States which bind their Electors are not free to vote their conscience regardless of how questionable the election results. [See Ray v. Blair, 343 US 214 - 1952 - ‎Supreme Court]

 

[Solemateleft]

The Elections official of each state certifies the results according to the laws of their own State.



In the recent decision of the Supreme Court [see 19-465 Chiafalo v. Washington (07-06-2020)] the Justices ruled 9-0 that Electors are bound to vote as determined by the election results certified by the Election official of their respective State. If an Elector does not vote in accordance with the Election official's directive of their respective State, the State can nullify the vote of an Elector that does not vote as pledged and replace them with an Elector that will.

So no, the Electors in those States which bind their Electors are not free to vote their conscience regardless of how questionable the election results. [See Ray v. Blair, 343 US 214 - 1952 - ‎Supreme Court]

Right - making the case for the Electoral College is clear and understood...
However, the other point being that the Election Official is not obligated to Certify State results that are PROVEN UN-Certifiable... It's about to get real good and interesting... as several voting machines and election software have a strong potential to be deemed un-certifiable... and if the case can be made that the level of systematic fraud becomes a federal case (not solely based upon individual states - seems to be several systematic trends across the disputed states in question) - it will go to the Supreme Court... get some popcorn and we'll have to wait and see how it plays out...

 

[Solemateleft]

The Elections official of each state certifies the results according to the laws of their own State.



In the recent decision of the Supreme Court [see 19-465 Chiafalo v. Washington (07-06-2020)] the Justices ruled 9-0 that Electors are bound to vote as determined by the election results certified by the Election official of their respective State. If an Elector does not vote in accordance with the Election official's directive of their respective State, the State can nullify the vote of an Elector that does not vote as pledged and replace them with an Elector that will.

So no, the Electors in those States which bind their Electors are not free to vote their conscience regardless of how questionable the election results. [See Ray v. Blair, 343 US 214 - 1952 - ‎Supreme Court]

Examples of "Un-Certifiable Results" are beginning to arise...

Michigan's largest county fails to certify election results over absentee ballot concerns

Michigan's largest county fails to certify election results over absentee ballot concerns | Just The News

Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser for the Trump campaign, immediately hailed the decision, telling a Just the News-Real America's Voice special on Tuesday night that it could impact the entire state of Michigan's ability to certify the results.

"If the state board follows suit, the Republican state legislator will select the electors. Huge win for @realDonaldTrump," she tweeted.

Grenell: Nevada Dems Panicking After Local Race Gets Tossed
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/grenell-trump-nevada-discrepancies/2020/11/17/id/997362/

Grenell tweeted Monday night: “Nevada Democrat Party is full panic mode. Clark County throws out an entire race because of fraud. The entire County’s ballots are now suspect - and the Democrat Party is freaking out.”

 

[cv5]

Even if the right is declared the winner with statistical analytical defense etc, the left will riot and burn cities. My opinion

Should they choose to burn their own DEM cities........So be it.
They had better understand that they will not receive any Federal dollars to rebuild.

 

[cv5]

This thread was spawn from the Election Fraud Evidence vs No Evidence thread…

IMHO From a Big Picture stand-point ALL the Left and Right posturing going on right now is merely both sides striving to Win AND Avoid a Civil Unrest/War... It's important to get this right now - as the integrity and trust in our democracy weighs in the balance for the foreseeable future.

I’m by no means a Constitutional Lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday-Inn Express a few times… LOL, I have been tuning in to Newsmax’s ‘The Warroom’ show and this is my understanding in laymen’s terms of what is in the realm of possibilities from a strategic level for how the Right aspires to win back the democracy of the United States of America; and if the Data Transparency proves the outcome is valid - they will CONCEDE defeat that they lost fair and square:

During most of our life-times our understanding of the credibility of the Electoral College system is based upon the underlying assumption that each State’s election results are deemed CERTIFIABLE… BUT, what if enough State’s election results are deemed UN-CERTIFIABLE, what happens? The Constitutional Election process becomes a bit different than the historic norms that we have come to understand – as it pertains to the Electoral College…

In this case the Data Science and Statistical Analyses can serve to ensure a COMPLETE AUDIT of the respective States in question; where a RECOUNT would merely RECOUNT the potentially flawed data on hand… A COMPLETE AUDIT has the ability to expose the VERACITY of the respective State Elections.

In our lifetimes much of the Constitutional Election legal bureaucracy is resolved in the 1st Quarter of the Game (sports analogy) as the majority of time the candidate that comes up on the losing end of the Electoral College results CONCEDES DEFEAT… This is HUGE from a legal processing standpoint… Think of it as the difference between a Civil Divorce VS a Contested Divorce (where cheating is involved)… Because it is only in the Contested Divorce where Discovery becomes a factor…

Most people do not understand the Constitutional Election Process if and when the Electoral College is unable to certify that either candidate has obtained 270 Electoral College Votes… If the Electoral College is unable to Certify a Valid Winner it goes to the Supreme Court (2nd Quarter)…

If the Supreme Court is unable to resolve an outcome on the same grounds that States are unable to Certify their respective State Election Results – than it goes back to Congress (3rd Quarter)…

This is where it gets interesting because the Constitutional Law specifies that each State Delegation will decide the vote for their respective States based upon the respective majority of state representatives for each given State… Currently the Republicans own 30 state delegates and Democrats own 20 states.

4th Quarter – if it comes to it – The Constitutional Process would re-elect President Trump as a result of the legal process – based upon the Statistical Evidence provided proving that X number of States were unable to Certify the Integrity of their Election Results.

Statistical Evidence is an ESSENTIAL means to demonstrate TRANSPARENCY regardless of the outcome to Mitigate Civil Unrest/War…

If the Left is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the State Elections in question – the extreme RIGHT is unlikely to take this news lightly… At best will lead to lack of trust in the integrity of our democracy for the foreseeable future, at worst Leads to Civil Unrest…

If the Right is declared the Winner without Statistical/Analytically Defensibility of the allegations of wrong-doing – the Left will RIOT and BURN our CITIES…

Help me out here… What do we know or think might happen? Does anyone else find it a little Odd that Trump as been so silent for so long? Some suspect this his surprising effort on his part to show some ‘tactical patience’ to allow his strategic approach to play out…

As far as I know there is no court in the land that can FORCE anyone at any level to certify a vote.
Furthermore there is no court in the land that can force the state authorities to certify the state or which electors to send, or even to send electors at all. All of this is at the sole discretion of the State legislatures. Keep in mind both the upper and lower state houses have to AGREE on the certification or the sending of electors.

As far as I know the courts CAN disallow votes as invalid or illegal. But at their discretion the legislature can ignore anything they want....If they want including a court decision.

As of now the word is on the street. Indeed there has been a vast election fraud conspiracy. The Dominion machines are undoubtedly "wired". There is also been massive fraud in terms of human intervention of many different types to boost the Biden vote.

If the GOP majority legislatures smell a rat they don't certify. Simple.

Then the 12th amendment kicks in Trump and wins.

 

[cv5]

The filth Biden must never be allowed into any political office ever again until the day he dies.
Preferably I would like to see him in prison until the day he dies. Obama too.

 

[cv5]

Georgia's Republican Senators Call On Secretary Of State To Resign
Georgia's two Republican U.S. senators are calling on the state's top election official — also a Republican — to resign Monday, after alleging "too many failures in Georgia elections this year" but without mentioning specifics to support their claims.

Sen. David Perdue and Sen. Kelly Loeffler issued a joint statement that blasted Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger for allowing the management of Georgia elections to "become an embarrassment for our state."

https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/11/09/georgias-republican-senators-call-on-secretary-of-state-resign

These two senators are well aware of exactly what's going on in Georgia. And what is going on is massive massive election fraud. No way this vote get certified by the house. 100% guaranteed there are going to demand a full audit. And this clowns political career is OVER!

Good riddance one more crooked politician exposed and deposed.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Examples of "Un-Certifiable Results" are beginning to arise...

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers in Michigan has certified its election results.

Keep in mind both the upper and lower state houses have to AGREE on the certification or the sending of electors.

Not sure where you get your information from but you might want to ask for a recount.

 

[cv5]

Jesse Binnall: “We Have Declarations From Over 400 People” About Voting Irregularities In Nevada

 

[UnoiAmarah]

It's about to get real good and interesting.

Why would Democrats skew the vote count in States that show the propensity of voting Democratic to begin with?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Currently the Republicans own 30 state delegates and Democrats own 20 states.

Given the fact that many state Republicans have already betrayed the Constitution and Trump, does this even mean anything any more?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why would Democrats skew the vote count in States that show the propensity of voting Democratic to begin with?

Why wouldn't they? The goal was to drive Trump out by every illegal means. And pretend to show the public that pathetic Biden had an overwhelming victory. When he could not even get a couple of dozen people out to his rallies.