IT IS NOT HERESY

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hay,
I've got two out of three, oh, it's one out of three because
I've always been a 'curly-head', but when I turned gray/white,
it became straight! thankfully I still have some body/fluff to it...
when I was younger, I actually spent about (8)yrs.
trying to straighten my hair, with 'big-curlers' and tape -
good thing that I didn't have all of today's chems/straighteners
and curling irons, cause I'd probably be 'bald', which many that
use them will become, if they don't stop - thankfully I didn't get
into dying my hair, which will for many eventually make their hair
to greatly thin and even fall out...
when I was in my teens, I can remember all of the funny stuff that
was aimed at 'older-women' who used that 'pink rinse', the media/comics,
made such a mockery of them, my grandmother was a constant user
of that popular product!
my generation had our weird stuff that we did way back when, but compared
to today's ways, we were just babes that they took off from...

when I look at adults today, young or older and they have 'colored' their hair
'pink-purple-blue', black, etc. and of course the 'smokers/vapers', my heart aches to
the core and often tears follow...
 

Truth7t7

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We are called to distance ourselves from those who are heretics if they will not repent.
The believer is called to expose the wolf in sheep's clothing, that has entered the flock unaware, defend the babes in the flock from the ravenous wolves.

I have no disagreement with your thought on personal attacks, but the wool must be pulled off that revenous wolf.

Jesus Christ Is Lord!
 

Truth7t7

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opposing points of view can often show us both sides of the scriptures -
we certainly, as Tararose has so eloquently stated, must always speak the Truth in Love' -
and also,
as Truth7 has stated, 'righteous war' is better than a hypocritical peace...
our interpretation, if you don't mind Truth7...
I agree, truth cant be compromised for peace

There are evil wolves that wilfully desires to devour the flock, the elders in the church are called to defend the flock

Do I endorse personal attacks on a poster (No) but it takes place on both sides, focus on attacking the teaching, not the teacher is my goal

Preterism, historicism, dispensationalism, are false teachings, and many follow those teachings mentioned.
 
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I agree, truth cant be compromised for peace

There are evil wolves that wilfully desires to devour the flock, the elders in the church are called to defend the flock

Do I endorse personal attacks on a poster (No) but it takes place on both sides, focus on attacking the teaching, not the teacher is my goal

Preterism, historicism, dispensationalism, are false teachings, and many follow those teachings mentioned.
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so like the way you expressed, 'focus on attacking the TEACHING, and NOT the TEACHER, when expressing your views -
our 'words' will always tell the tell of our hearts' intent...
 
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these are the words of a humble and contrite spirit, -
may we ALL learn from such...
 

SoulWeaver

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and naturally curly hair....please.
You'll have an eternity to slowly regret this one :LOL:
Except, of course, if it's designed to be eternally flawless like in a commercial, no frizz and non tangling... Mine is wavy/curly mix and it's a mess.
 
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You'll have an eternity to slowly regret this one :LOL:
Except, of course, if it's designed to be eternally flawless like in a commercial, no frizz and non tangling... Mine is wavy/curly mix and it's a mess.
Deva Curl.....awesome product

And a dry cut specialist always :)
 

laymen

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I will point out one good thing about reading a anonymous posts, Is your more likely to hear their truth thoughts. Where as at church that person that needs help may not
Deva Curl.....awesome product

And a dry cut specialist always :)
from a guy perspective, I my self like my curls
 

SoulWeaver

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It is not ‘heresy’ to disagree over the symbolism and proper positions of the various views of Premillenists and Amillenists and Preterists or any other “isms”. We are discussing HISTORY, (PAST OR FUTURE) not THEOLOGY.

The dialogue of some people has become so contentious that it goes beyond the pale of Christian behavior. Tossing scripture around that is not meant to edify but to chastise and scold the one who dared disagree; this is blasphemy, a disgraceful misuse of scripture. There is only one entity that encourages this type of enmity and confusion among people of faith…..that old DRAGON.
(CALLING PEOPLE HERETICS)

I recently began some discourse in these forums after more than 18 months since the last time I was in chats. I had left before for two reasons.......I have an actual life.....and my behavior needed a re-do. I see some people have taken umbrage at some of my posts, so I will apologize to those whom I meant no insult.......and do not apologize to those who prefer to bait rather than debate. I gave short answers to a few posts simply because after hours of sharing my views I get the same questions. So I may move on soon, holidays are coming, presents to buy, cookies to bake........or I may not

I just did my ‘mea culpa’……..will you?

Disputing for the sake of arguing is empty silly talk. (We’ve all been guilty of that) Disputing bad doctrine is encouraged in the scriptures.

2 Timothy 4:1-22 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. ...

My questions are:
1.Would you converse with people face to face as you do in an anonymous forum?
2. What words would you use if you were speaking to your pastor? Same ones? Change a few? Would you be ok if everything you post in a forum was read to your congregation on Sunday morning? (I think I’d stay home that day)
3. When is it proper to dispute ?
4. Do we present our points in a way most beneficial to edify the church?
I somewhat agree. I posted a similar thread earlier. As long as the same recommendation goes for dispensationalists. In my experience they are often very vocal bullies who cannot handle disagreement. It actually nudged me to explore all opposite views of theirs, and examine theirs more critically. I'm contrarian audience and don't respond positively to force. Apply force and you lost me. Where I don't agree is that Christianity has become too focused on dogma and doctrine like any other religion. I don't believe this is the essence of the way of Jesus. At all.
 
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I will point out one good thing about reading a anonymous posts, Is your more likely to hear their truth thoughts. Where as at church that person that needs help may not

from a guy perspective, I my self like my curls
This is for curls....

agree wavy or curly hair is awesome and you can wear it straight too!
 

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You'll have an eternity to slowly regret this one :LOL:
Except, of course, if it's designed to be eternally flawless like in a commercial, no frizz and non tangling... Mine is wavy/curly mix and it's a mess.
Seems we always want what we don't have. I would still trade this mop of mine for some natural curls. (sigh)
 

GraceAndTruth

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I somewhat agree. I posted a similar thread earlier. As long as the same recommendation goes for dispensationalists. In my experience they are often very vocal bullies who cannot handle disagreement. It actually nudged me to explore all opposite views of theirs, and examine theirs more critically. I'm contrarian audience and don't respond positively to force. Apply force and you lost me. Where I don't agree is that Christianity has become too focused on dogma and doctrine like any other religion. I don't believe this is the essence of the way of Jesus. At all.
Doctrine is important. It keeps us humble as we explore the majesty of God.
We can realize (if we dare) that God did not create us to entertain Himself......but for a purpose which may only be known to God, for His ways are not our ways.

And we are told to 'study to be approved as a workman who is ABLE to handle accurately the word of truth'. So I do.
2 Tim 2:15
doctrine is scripture based
dogma is opinion........so its good to avoid that
 

Blain

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This is for curls....

agree wavy or curly hair is awesome and you can wear it straight too!
Just be glad you don't have my hair it's naturally silky and soft but so thin good luck doing anything with it
 

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I know some like to debate with out posting their Chapter and verse. Its to easy to find a bible verse on Google to not post them. Then who ever reads it can debate what the bible says rather than what a person says. If you cant remember the verse or even some of the verse then it may not be in your heart yet. Its to easy to put them in our own words and slant things to our own opinion. Rom3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Ro 3:4). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 

SoulWeaver

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Doctrine is important. It keeps us humble as we explore the majesty of God.
We can realize (if we dare) that God did not create us to entertain Himself......but for a purpose which may only be known to God, for His ways are not our ways.

And we are told to 'study to be approved as a workman who is ABLE to handle accurately the word of truth'. So I do.
2 Tim 2:15
doctrine is scripture based
dogma is opinion........so its good to avoid that
I believe in importance of doctrine in early walk as a disciple is getting established. You learn who God is, how to discern His voice.
I don't need to study doctrines at this point, I went through this "school" as I asked God and read the Bible, to help me with guidance about this or that. It's plain as day when you learn His voice, what is right and what is wrong. I know God. Doesn't mean I stopped reading the Bible, because I do read it, but to get strengthened.
What you said all sounds nice, but in practice, what I see is this whole thing turns into something else.
For Christians, on a large scale, it's all about "a belief system" and conversely it's not about Jesus any more. Christianity was early on called "the Way" but slowly effectively became a dogma driven religion like any other, watered down to some set of beliefs which are also often just opinions, you are saved if you believe "correct beliefs". Imo, this stinks and is not the original message of the Gospel. Tell me how is that different from other religions. It's a slight twist from the original truth, just that small twist that satan always does. I really can't stand for this in good conscience.
 

GraceAndTruth

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I know some like to debate with out posting their Chapter and verse. Its to easy to find a bible verse on Google to not post them. Then who ever reads it can debate what the bible says rather than what a person says. If you cant remember the verse or even some of the verse then it may not be in your heart yet. Its to easy to put them in our own words and slant things to our own opinion. Rom3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Ro 3:4). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
I agree, when someone posts an opinion or a position on a subject they should give a verse or two of scripture.