Today’s church’s misunderstandings

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throughfaith said:
Which verse says we have to ' give ' Jesus our sins ?
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How can Jesus forgive sins if we keep the sin? If knowing that Jesus can wipe our sins away is enough, then the demons know that Jesus can do that and they are not saved. So having faith in what Jesus can do, according to scripture, is not enough or demons would be saved. If you have faith in Jesus, in all Jesus can do for us, then you will let Him do it.
 
throughfaith said:
Do you have any verses that say this for non Israel ?
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The KJv, according to my concordance, has 117 verses about that the Lord speaks to non Israel, calling them the strangers or sojourners. Use you concordance, I printed out each one of the verses and read them.
 
Blik said:
How can Jesus forgive sins if we keep the sin? If knowing that Jesus can wipe our sins away is enough, then the demons know that Jesus can do that and they are not saved. So having faith in what Jesus can do, according to scripture, is not enough or demons would be saved. If you have faith in Jesus, in all Jesus can do for us, then you will let Him do it.
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So we avoid hell by Faith and confessing sins ? What did Jesus do on the cross then ? And his resurrection?
 
Blik said:
The KJv, according to my concordance, has 117 verses about that the Lord speaks to non Israel, calling them the strangers or sojourners. Use you concordance, I printed out each one of the verses and read them.
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You have a verse where God puts the law in our minds and causes us to walk in his statutes for gentiles ?
 
throughfaith said:
So we avoid hell by Faith and confessing sins ? What did Jesus do on the cross then ? And his resurrection?
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John 3:16 is the most powerful scripture about Christ that I know.

The only scripture I have found that speaks of how Jesus used his time in what is called dead in the flesh and alive in the spirit, is in 1 Peter 3:19-22.

I am sure you know this, I wonder why you are asking me?
 
Blik said:
John 3:16 is the most powerful scripture about Christ that I know.

The only scripture I have found that speaks of how Jesus used his time in what is called dead in the flesh and alive in the spirit, is in 1 Peter 3:19-22.

I am sure you know this, I wonder why you are asking me?
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So he paid for your sin correct ? Past , present and future ?
 
throughfaith said:
You have a verse where God puts the law in our minds and causes us to walk in his statutes for gentiles ?
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By this question, are you thinking that God speaks differently to gentiles than God does to Jews? Scripture tells us in God's eyes there is no difference.
 
Blik said:
By this question, are you thinking that God speaks differently to gentiles than God does to Jews? Scripture tells us in God's eyes there is no difference.
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I see that when it refers to Israel this is a message about them. Thats the clear reading of the text . God does deal with Israel specifically. Jews that join the church are part of the body. But the Nation of Israel has a future when they turn to the Lord and then he respond s with those things in those verses that some are mistakenly trying to apply to gentiles in 2020 ect .
 
Blik said:
I don't understand why Christians are so hung up on using Sunday for what God asks us to do on a Sabbath. You would think their salvation depended on going to church on Sunday. It may be fine with God, but scripture speaks of the last day of the week as the Sabbath, tells us why and even puts it in the ten commandments, and the Sunday keepers only have that sometimes scripture tells of Sunday meetings, and they say Mary changed the Sabbath. Scripture says that Mary only discovered that Christ had already risen Sunday morning, nothing about Mary and the Sabbath. I would choose plain scripture if I had a choice.
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They are just confused. Thinking the Law of God is the same as Moses law. And indoctrinated about Sunday. They don't see their traditions making void the Law of God by Keeping Sunday. Not Knowing that Sunday is a sign to who they worship..Meaning the Sabbath is a sign that you follow the Real God of Heaven the one that made the world in 7 days. I guess they would rather follow man and his traditions about Sunday. But we know we should follow God rather than man. God bless
 
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throughfaith said:
I see that when it refers to Israel this is a message about them. Thats the clear reading of the text . God does deal with Israel specifically. Jews that join the church are part of the body. But the Nation of Israel has a future when they turn to the Lord and then he respond s with those things in those verses that some are mistakenly trying to apply to gentiles in 2020 ect .
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It is my understanding from scripture that the entire reason for God establishing the Hebrew race was for them to lead all humanity to God. They were a wild bunch by the time they left Egypt, and God gave them special instructions to help tame them and lead them to live a life that God knew was the best life for all humanity.

Those special instructions, like cutting foreskin as a mark they were different and belonged to God were for them, given especially to them and those strangers who accepted the Lord. We have the Holy Spirit to lead us instead, so they are not for mankind after the new covenant.

I feel sure all scripture is given by an eternal God who does not change. God states that there is no difference in us in His eyes, and I feel certain that applies to instructions to the Israelites. We can know there is a race God created, and He treated that race in a special way, but that does not affect the fact that what God reveals about Himself with these instructions is simply truth for all mankind.
 
laymen said:
They are just confused. Thinking the Law of God is the same as Moses law. And indoctrinated about Sunday. They don't see their traditions making void the Law of God by Keeping Sunday. Not Knowing that Sunday is a sign to who they worship..Meaning the Sabbath is a sign that you follow the Real God of Heaven the one that made the world in 7 days. I guess they would rather follow man and his traditions about Sunday. But we know we should follow God rather than man. God bless
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Jews seek after a sign.
 
laymen said:
Who said it was?
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Rom 14 .
4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5¶One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
 
throughfaith said:
What's all the big fuss about the sabbath then ?
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It has been forgotten.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Mt 5:17–19). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 
laymen said:
It has been forgotten.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Mt 5:17–19). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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Jesus fulfilled.
 
throughfaith said:
Jesus fulfilled.
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Oh I did not know that Heaven and earth passed away already?


laymen said:
It has been forgotten.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Mt 5:17–19). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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All must be fulfilled. We do not have a new Heavens or earth yet.
 
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