Today’s church’s misunderstandings

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AlmondJoy said:
what in the world do you mean that "Sunday Keeping" is not biblical? How do you keep sunday?

"this is the day that the Lord hath made" the devil has never made a day.....everyday belongs to God!

how is "sunday a lie made by satan?" and if so in Acts 20:7 was Paul being used by the devil to preach to the disciples on the first day of week?
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If you believe Act 20:7 is teaching Sunday worship then yes you believe a lie by Satan. They came together everyday to break bread. then you have to make everyday Sunday. So as you can see Sunday worship falls apart. For there is no teaching here about Sunday worship its only a recorded of time not a sign of keeping Sunday.
 
Infinite_Ark said:
If God's grace is what saves people then how is his laws not part of that compact? Didn't God say in both testaments that he'd write his laws on the hearts of his faithful? If he gave his grace for the salvation of the world in the new testament, how are his laws written on hearts in that new covenant not part of what makes his grace workable in the formerly fallen human heart?
His grace saves but we can go about living life as before? What effect does grace have then?
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The old testament salvation system was a preview of Christ, with the blood of animals symbolic of the blood of Christ. Christ works in the same way. His blood is sacrificed for our sin. But if we keep our sin, hang on to it and don't give it to Christ for forgiveness, then we have within us the sin that kills.

We are not asked to be perfect, we can't achieve that. But we are asked to want to give up our sin, God calls it repentance.
 
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laymen said:
If you believe Act 20:7 is teaching Sunday worship then yes you believe a lie by Satan. They came together everyday to break bread. then you have to make everyday Sunday. So as you can see Sunday worship falls apart. For there is no teaching here about Sunday worship its only a recorded of time not a sign of keeping Sunday.
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I don't understand why Christians are so hung up on using Sunday for what God asks us to do on a Sabbath. You would think their salvation depended on going to church on Sunday. It may be fine with God, but scripture speaks of the last day of the week as the Sabbath, tells us why and even puts it in the ten commandments, and the Sunday keepers only have that sometimes scripture tells of Sunday meetings, and they say Mary changed the Sabbath. Scripture says that Mary only discovered that Christ had already risen Sunday morning, nothing about Mary and the Sabbath. I would choose plain scripture if I had a choice.
 
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If you believe Act 20:7 is teaching Sunday worship then yes you believe a lie by Satan.
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why does it feel like i am on the football field and you are on the basketball court?

i do not believe in sunday worship
i do not believe in monday worship
i do not believe in Tuesday wednesday thursday friday or saturday worship

Romans 14:2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

why wont you answer me......do you buy on sabbath? do you sell on sabbath? do you use fireplace heat/air on sabbath? will your answers condemn you?
 
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I don't understand why Christians are so hung up on using Sunday for what God asks us to do on a Sabbath. You would think their salvation depended on going to church on Sunday. It may be fine with God, but scripture speaks of the last day of the week as the Sabbath, tells us why and even puts it in the ten commandments, and the Sunday keepers only have that sometimes scripture tells of Sunday meetings, and they say Mary changed the Sabbath. Scripture says that Mary only discovered that Christ had already risen Sunday morning, nothing about Mary and the Sabbath. I would choose plain scripture if I had a choice.
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why do sabbath keepers put words in peoples mouth that they didn't say? i never said anything about Mary changing the sabbath day

why are sabbath keepers afraid to answer questions about how they keep the sabbath?

i guess i am to suppose it is because they know anyone with one eyeball and half a brain could easily point to scripture and prove they do not really keep the sabbath.

try it again:

do you buy on sabbath?
do you sell on sabbath?
do you cook on sabbath?
do you use fireplace or heat/air on sabbath?

if your idea of keeping the sabbath is only going to church you really need to read the Torah again
 
AlmondJoy said:
why does it feel like i am on the football field and you are on the basketball court?

i do not believe in sunday worship
i do not believe in monday worship
i do not believe in Tuesday wednesday thursday friday or saturday worship

Romans 14:2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

why wont you answer me......do you buy on sabbath? do you sell on sabbath? do you use fireplace heat/air on sabbath? will your answers condemn you?
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No, My answer will not condemn me because of grace. My answer comes from Jesus Mark 3:4


Mark 3: 4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Mk 3:4). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
AlmondJoy said:
why does it feel like i am on the football field and you are on the basketball court?

i do not believe in sunday worship
i do not believe in monday worship
i do not believe in Tuesday wednesday thursday friday or saturday worship

Romans 14:2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

why wont you answer me......do you buy on sabbath? do you sell on sabbath? do you use fireplace heat/air on sabbath? will your answers condemn you?
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Also look at Matt 12:12
 
laymen said:
No, My answer will not condemn me because of grace. My answer comes from Jesus Mark 3:4
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good....since your answer wont condemn you tell me do you refrain from all of these on the sabbath?

Do not Cook or Gather Food
EXODUS 16:22-23

Do not Gather Sticks or Make a Fire
NUMBERS 15:32-36
EXODUS 35:3

Do not Carry any Burden
JEREMIAH 17:21-22

Do not Buy or Sell
NEHEMIAH 13:15-17
NEHEMIAH 10:31

Do not Do Our Own Ways, or Seek Our Own Pleasure
ISAIAH 58:13-14

Do not Speak Our Own Words
ISAIAH 58:13
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AlmondJoy said:
why does it feel like i am on the football field and you are on the basketball court?

i do not believe in sunday worship
i do not believe in monday worship
i do not believe in Tuesday wednesday thursday friday or saturday worship
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Do you go to church if so what day?
 
AlmondJoy said:
sunday morning at 11:00
sunday night at 5:00
wed night 7:00

four or five times a year we have revivals and i go every night of week
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Ok, Do you have revivals on Saturday? or do anything as a church on Saturday? Is every night of the week mean Saturday too?
 
laymen said:
Ok, Do you have revivals on Saturday? or do anything as a church on Saturday? Is every night of the week mean Saturday too?
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i'm not understanding what you mean "IS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK MEAN SATURDAY TOO?"

yes we have revival services on Saturday........we do prayer meetings on most saturdays when we are not in revival.
 
AlmondJoy said:
i'm not understanding what you mean "IS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK MEAN SATURDAY TOO?"

yes we have revival services on Saturday........we do prayer meetings on most saturdays when we are not in revival.
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You answered, that everyday of the week meaning =even the weekend.
 
AlmondJoy said:
Blik
why do sabbath keepers put words in peoples mouth that they didn't say? i never said anything about Mary changing the sabbath day
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I don't think I said anything that should make you speak with so much anger, but if I did I certainly didn't mean to.

I have been told that the reason Sunday keepers believe in Sunday is because Mary discovered that Christ had risen, and her discovery of that was on Sunday. So I mentioned that as one of reasons sabbath day was changed. I am sorry it made you so angry.
 
AlmondJoy said:
my point is that if i said i kept the sabbath i would have to do it like the bible says
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Is that not the point.

All those things about not doing this or that on the Sabbath are not part of the 10 commandments. At lest how I read it.

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Ex 20:8–11). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Says nothing about things you showed. Just talks about resting from weekly labor.
 
If you do a study on the temple you can see the 10 commandments are kept "in side" the Ark and the Laws of Moses are kept on the 'out side' of the Ark.

Why might this be? What could be learned from this?
 
Blik said:
That doesn't make sense. Grace is that we are accepted even though we don't earn it. We are to give up our sins to Christ and put the spirit of Christ within us. How could we possibly have the spirit of Christ within and have our hopes and desires in sin?
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Which verse says we have to ' give ' Jesus our sins ?
 
Infinite_Ark said:
If God's grace is what saves people then how is his laws not part of that compact? Didn't God say in both testaments that he'd write his laws on the hearts of his faithful? If he gave his grace for the salvation of the world in the new testament, how are his laws written on hearts in that new covenant not part of what makes his grace workable in the formerly fallen human heart?
His grace saves but we can go about living life as before? What effect does grace have then?
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Do you have any verses that say this for non Israel ?
 
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