Looking for the Ephraimites, scattered among the Gentiles, since their Assyrian captivity of 740BC

[BenjaminN]

You have the same problem as Nicodemus. ....

John 3 (ESV)

3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)

3 And he said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord God, you know." 4 Then he said to me, "Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. 9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live." 11 Then he said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel (Ephraim). Behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are indeed cut off.'


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)

12 Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves (captivity and lost identity among the Gentiles), O my people. 14 And I will put my Spirit (born again) within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the Lord." 15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 "Son of man, take a stick and write on it, 'For Judah (the Jews), and the people of Israel associated with him'; then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.' 17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.

 

[Corban]

All are not saved, God's salvation of grace is limited to those in the Book of the Lamb that was slain. Renewed Israel will be a light to the nations, to those who are saved:

Romans 11 (ESV)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery (Ephraim among the Gentiles), brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles (Ephraim among the Gentiles) has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

"This mystery", according to the grammar, is the last mentioned subject - they fact that Israel, natural branches of the Olive Tree, which were cut out because of UNBELIEF, can ever be grafted in again. Here are the considerations:

1. A Tree in Parable is a king and his kingdom
2. Christ came to Israel with the offering of the Kingdom (out) of Heaven, that is, heavenly rule on earth
3. Israel rejected this offer and murdered their King
4. Israel - natural branches - are cut out of the Tree because of unbelief
5. To complete this Kingdom, Christ assembles wild branches
6. The wild branches are under threat that by a weakening of faith they can also be cut off

The logical question that arises from this is; "How can Israel ever be restored?" This question reverberates around the universe because (i) God has made a Covenant with Abraham for the kingdom of Israel, (ii) God's Covenant of Law has caused them to be kicked out of the Land, but (iii) God's prophets have promised a restoration. The question is legitimate, and God's honor is at stake. Since God cannot lie, Israel will be restored and THIS IS A MYSTERY. Your insertion of ("Ephraim among the Gentiles") is (i) grammatical nonsense, (ii) completely off subject, and (iii) not found in scripture at all.

The MYSTERY is explained by;

1. Christ, a "DELIVERER" and Israelite, dying for their sin and sins (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2)
2. God solving the problem of the Covenant of Law, by a New Covenant of Law (Jer.31:31-33) with better conditions
3. God resurrecting all Israelites and applying Christ's atonement to their sins
4. Emanuel (Jesus Christ) - King of Israel, and King of kings living in Jerusalem making Israel part of the Kingdom (even though they do not rule with Christ)

And thus, is the Covenant of PROMISE is upheld, God's prophets are correct, and God's honor is intact.

But please, we've thrashed this out so many times that there is nothing more to add. If you insist on a fable that has been shown unsustainable, why, that is your right. I've answered all your attempts to prove it, and I retire. I thank you for the exchange and wish you God's richest blessings.

 

[Corban]

Can a "servant of God" be a non-believer? Honestly?? The beast is not a "servant of God", neither me, nor you, nor anyone can call the beast a believer. Be careful of blaspheming. By the way, the redeeming of the 12000 from each of the tribes are marked by the seal of God, not by the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast follows thereafter, during the great tribulation. After the great tribulation Christ Yeshua returns. The millennium kingdom follows, and Gog and Magog follows the millennium kingdom.

My friend, a "servant" can be Nebuchadnezzar (Jer.27:6). You'd better find that word "believer".

 

[BenjaminN]

From Christ Yeshua's Ephraimite-Israelites, who came to believe in the past 2000 years, to the thousands of Judahite-Israelite Jewish people who just recently came to believe in their droves, of which a considerable amount of testimonies are available to be seen at the link below, God is upholding the promises of the prophesies of the "fulness of the nations" of Genesis 48:19 and Romans 11:25, as we are on the way to its full fulfilment (now that Judahite-Israelite Jews are coming into the flock as well at long last, after 2000 years of their "hardness in part"), following the Ephraimite-Israelite's punishment of 2730 years reaching its conclusion:

http://www.bit.ly/OneForIsrael

Genesis 48 (Young's Literal Translation)

19 And his father refuseth, and saith, `I have known, my son, I have known; he also becometh a people, and he also is great, and yet, his young brother is greater than he, and his seed is the fulness of the nations;'


Romans 11 (Young's Literal Translation)

25 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret -- that ye may not be wise in your own conceits -- that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in; 26 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, 27 and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when I may take away their sins.'

 

[BenjaminN]

My friend, a "servant" can be Nebuchadnezzar (Jer.27:6). You'd better find that word "believer".

And Nebuchadnezzar had the seal of God? Seems like you would like to dictate God's Word's specific wording, by playing with words. The message is clear in Revelations 7:1-8 that God is speaking of a group of Israelites, from 12 of the tribes, that he would have saved from the calamities that would come over the earth. Let God's Spirit guide you, into whether YOU can not but believe that they are saved, because God has sealed them with his seal, and is protecting his servants from calamity. YOU HOWEVER WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE. Do you believe that they believe, guess not... Strange conclusion however, but I suppose you have your pre-suppositions, of dispensationalism. Well guess what, Israel can be among the Body of Christ as well - have a look at the numerous testimonies and statistics of Christ Yeshua believers, just among Judahite-Israelites at http://www.bit.ly/OneForIsrael that retain their Israelite-Jewish identity in the Body of Christ, just like an African, European, American, Australian or Canadian retain their identity, as distinct members of the Body of Christ, which can be differentiated by their nationality as well - as the Word of God differentiate nationality right up to Revelation 21 where it talks about the light to the nations.


Revelation 7 (ESV)

1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3 saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads." 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.

 

[Corban]

And Nebuchadnezzar had the seal of God? Seems like you would like to dictate God's Word's specific wording, by playing with words. The message is clear in Revelations 7:1-8 that God is speaking of a group of Israelites, from 12 of the tribes, that he would have saved from the calamities that would come over the earth. Let God's Spirit guide you, into whether YOU can not but believe that they are saved, because God has sealed them with his seal, and is protecting his servants from calamity. YOU HOWEVER WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE. Do you believe that they believe, guess not... Strange conclusion however, but I suppose you have your pre-suppositions, of dispensationalism. Well guess what, Israel can be among the Body of Christ as well - have a look at the numerous testimonies and statistics of Christ Yeshua believers, just among Judahite-Israelites at http://www.bit.ly/OneForIsrael that retain their Israelite-Jewish identity in the Body of Christ, just like an African, European, American, Australian or Canadian retain their identity, as distinct members of the Body of Christ, which can be differentiated by their nationality as well - as the Word of God differentiate nationality right up to Revelation 21 where it talks about the light to the nations.

Good night friend.

 

[BenjaminN]

Good night friend.

Good night brother.

 

[tribesman]

When we honestly examine the biblical record, it becomes clear that the so-called “lost” tribes of Israel are not really lost at all. Rather, it is their identity as Israel that has been lost. Thus, as we search for the “lost” tribes, we should not look for a Sabbath-keeping people who call themselves Israel. Indeed, as the exiled northern ten tribes wandered from the Middle East, they were known by other names; such as Cimmerians, Scythians, Celts, Saxons, etc. names historians and researchers have not linked to ancient Israel, mostly because it doesn’t fit with their beliefs. They say the Western peoples are Caucasians and either ignore how they got to the Caucasus region, or tout fanciful stories of Neanderthals and fossils.

When Jesus sent the twelve out to preach the Gospel, He said: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter into a city of the Samaritans [Gentiles who displaced the northern tribes]; but go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-6
Jesus and His disciples knew the whereabouts of the “lost” northern tribes—and that they, in fact, were the “house of Israel.” Why do we hear almost nothing of the original apostles after about 60 AD?

After preaching the Gospel to the Jews and being rejected by them, the apostles took the Gospel to the northern tribes where they had become re-established in new lands. During the years immediately preceding the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, we hear nothing of Peter and James? Why? They went, as Christ instructed, to the “lost” tribes of Israel and the Gospel was accepted by them; now the Christianized Western nations. Jesus’ Mission WAS successful!

Any sure proofs of this by way of reliable sources?

I am not saying it is impossible that so be, however I think of the christian caucasian world as more of having that leading role as Israel was supposed to have and also having the characteristics of the israelites, whether or not there be a pure bloodline since there is so much admixture everywhere.

 

[BenjaminN]