Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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OIC1965

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1 peter unlike Ephesians is written to :
1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
We should also recognise that the 'elect 'are always the Jews .
So only Romans 8:33 does not include Gentile Christians? Wow, man.
 

OIC1965

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1 peter unlike Ephesians is written to :
1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
We should also recognise that the 'elect 'are always the Jews .
Colossians 3:12 is only about Jewish Christians too? Wow!
 

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Colossians 3:12 is only about Jewish Christians too? Wow!
Then we recognise ' elect ' ' chosen ' ect is to service and purpose .Always.
Its never ' to salvation ' , ' to be converted ' ect . The Jews are the elect. Jesus is the elect . Context .
Gentiles are never the elect.
 

soggykitten

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Matt 24
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I agree endure unto the end mean endure to the death.


I may wrong but to me it mean to be save we must endure to death.

Say a Muslim convert, than face persecution.
Loose his job, go to jail. Than He change his mind and deny Jesus to avoid death. He may free from persecution but loose his salvation.
Believe as you wish.
 

soggykitten

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I think you may be going into extreme s . Of course we read that the gentiles would be included in salvation.
Up until Cornelius THEY are not preaching to Gentiles .
No, the one going to extremes would be you. You don't have to respect the gospels, as we realize. Just don't make the mistake that the Christians here are on your side of your agenda.
 

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You haven't proved that. You disrespect them. There is a difference. Preaching anti-gospel is the tactic of the enemy.
I believe we are saved by Grace through faith and not of works. The Gospel as per 1 cor .15 1-4 .
 

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Then we recognise ' elect ' ' chosen ' ect is to service and purpose .Always.
Its never ' to salvation ' , ' to be converted ' ect . The Jews are the elect. Jesus is the elect . Context .
Gentiles are never the elect.
Chosen in Him to be holy and without blame before Him in love.

Salvation language.
 

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The context is ALL salvation language. Ephesians 1:1-14
Of course . AFTER getting in him .In order for a concept like the reformed position ,you would need " chosen to be converted/ saved / to salvation.
 
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So you hold that Ephesians is only applicable for Gentles and not applicable to Jewish believers?

If no, then why do you hold the reverse view on 1 Peter?
There is a difference between Israel and Jews now

The nation of Israel has fallen in the eyes of God.

Jews used to be saved by being part of the nation. That was why gentiles were excluded in the past unless they become part of the nation (Ephesians 2:11-12)

But after the nation has fallen, everyone Jew and gentile is considered uncircumcised and the same in the eyes of God

All of them are now saved by the gospel of the grace of God given to Paul, into the body of Christ

So romans to Philemon applies to all of them

James Peter and John were writing to Israel in their letters, for good reason. After the body of Christ is raptured, God will once again deal with Israel as a nation.

The doctrine contained in those letters would apply then
 

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There is a difference between Israel and Jews now

The nation of Israel has fallen in the eyes of God.

Jews used to be saved by being part of the nation. That was why gentiles were excluded in the past unless they become part of the nation (Ephesians 2:11-12)

But after the nation has fallen, everyone Jew and gentile is considered uncircumcised and the same in the eyes of God

All of them are now saved by the gospel of the grace of God given to Paul, into the body of Christ

So romans to Philemon applies to all of them

James Peter and John were writing to Israel in their letters, for good reason. After the body of Christ is raptured, God will once again deal with Israel as a nation.

The doctrine contained in those letters would apply then
As we've discussed prior to your posting, gentiles were saved by God prior to Paul.
 
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As we've discussed prior to your posting, gentiles were saved by God prior to Paul.
Yes, I already stated "unless they become part of the nation".

Ruth was integrated to Israel thru marrying Boaz, Rahab saved the spies of Joshua and also married the captain of Joshua's guards.

Otherwise, Ephesians 2:11-12 clearly states that

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Gentiles could not be saved by God in time past on their own, without being joining the nation Israel. That is why Paul's statement in Romans 11:11 was a very important statement telling us there is now a significant change in dispensation. Gentiles are now saved thru the fall of Israel.