Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

[throughfaith]

Not in rebellion. Unaware of the scope of the Gospel. Even though the scope of the Gospel was foretold by the prophets and Jesus.

ok and why did we have an 'Apostle to the gentiles '? Paul ?

 

[throughfaith]

Not in rebellion. Unaware of the scope of the Gospel. Even though the scope of the Gospel was foretold by the prophets and Jesus.

Again isn't it great that WE can look back ?

 

[OIC1965]

That is the thing about free choice. It did not happen because the nation Israel never accepted Christ.

We now know what was the outcome in Acts 28 because we were born after that fact.

But as far as the 11, and Peter are concerned, they never stop preaching to Israel, all the way to their deaths (Galatians 2:7-9). They could not go to gentiles at all, Cornelius household was a one-off incident by Peter, since the nation has never repented.

Zechariah 8 will happen in the future during the 1000 year millennial reign, as God promised in that verse "In those days it shall come to pass".

That is the thing about free choice. It did not happen because the nation Israel never accepted Christ.

We now know what was the outcome in Acts 28 because we were born after that fact.

But as far as the 11, and Peter are concerned, they never stop preaching to Israel, all the way to their deaths (Galatians 2:7-9). They could not go to gentiles at all, Cornelius household was a one-off incident by Peter, since the nation has never repented.

Zechariah 8 will happen in the future during the 1000 year millennial reign, as God promised in that verse "In those days it shall come to pass".[/QUOTE

But God knew and He was the one that inspired Zechariah 8

 

[OIC1965]

ok and why did we have an 'Apostle to the gentiles '? Paul ?

Home missions and foreign missions

 

[throughfaith]

Home missions and foreign missions

verse ?

 

[OIC1965]

Again isn't it great that WE can look back ?

But God doesn’t need to look back. It’s about His intentions, not ours. God is the one who decided, not the apostles, not us.

 

[OIC1965]

verse ?

some apostles went to the Jews some to the Gentiles. Because of different cultures.

 

[throughfaith]

But God doesn’t need to look back. It’s about His intentions, not ours. God is the one who decided, not the apostles, not us.

Is this the ' in the mind of God 'Arminaism here clouding the issue ?

 

[throughfaith]

some apostles went to the Jews some to the Gentiles. Because of different cultures.

Yes isnt this how it gets preached on Sundays. 😒

 

[OIC1965]

verse ?

Do you want a verse for 1,306 too? You always ask for verses for obvious things.

 

[OIC1965]

Is this the ' in the mind of God 'Arminaism here clouding the issue ?

No. What I said is only not true if open theism is true, and open theism is not true.

 

[Guojing]

But God knew and He was the one that inspired Zechariah 8

True, but you do agree that does not mean it must be fulfilled now correct?

You don't see it happening in the future?

 

[throughfaith]

Do you want a verse for 1,306 too? You always ask for verses for obvious things.

No one taught Paul his revelation ,but Jesus . To him is given the mysteries . including the Jew/ gentile mystery . There's also a reason why its Paul has the 13 epistles instructing the Church. Even Peter admitting to the weight of his teachings.

 

[OIC1965]

True, but you do agree that does not mean it must be fulfilled now correct?

You don't see it happening in the future?

It will be fulfilled. We don’t know when, but God knows. The prophecy means what it says and it will be fulfilled in the way that God said it in the time that only He knows.

 

[OIC1965]

No one taught Paul his revelation ,but Jesus . To him is given the mysteries . including the Jew/ gentile mystery . There's also a reason why its Paul has the 13 epistles instructing the Church. Even Peter admitting to the weight of his teachings.

It was revealed to Peter first. You’re all mixed up about almost everything. Paul had a special ministry. But he was not founding a different Christianity than the Jewish Christianity as if there is one gospel for Jews and one for Gentiles.

Some of your posts seem to hint at this.

 

[throughfaith]

It was revealed to Peter first. You’re all mixed up about almost everything.

I realise I clash against Calarminism .

 

[OIC1965]

I realise I clash against Calarminism .

There are not two different NTs one for Jews and one for Gentiles. You keep implying things like Peter’s epistles only applies to Jews, which is like saying there are two parts of the Bible. One for this group and one for that.

You probably think the sermon on the mount is not for us either

 

[Guojing]

It will be fulfilled. We don’t know when, but God knows. The prophecy means what it says and it will be fulfilled in the way that God said it in the time that only He knows.

The first part of Zech 8 already tells us when, when Jesus set up home in Jerusalem.

And Zech 14 also elaborated that it will happen after the Tribulation.

1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

So if you put these 2 passages together, it will happen during the 1000 year rule of Christ.

 

[OIC1965]

The first part of Zech 8 already tells us when, when Jesus set up home in Jerusalem.

And Zech 14 also elaborated that it will happen after the Tribulation.

1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

So if you put these 2 passages together, it will happen during the 1000 year rule of Christ.

There is a future fulfillment of these things, yes. But God did not intend one thing and switch to plan b when it didn’t work out. He has perfect foreknowledge

And to say that is not Arminianism as TF thinks.

 

[throughfaith]

It was revealed to Peter first. You’re all mixed up about almost everything. Paul had a special ministry. But he was not founding a different Christianity than the Jewish Christianity as if there is one gospel for Jews and one for Gentiles.

Some of your posts seem to hint at this.

Let it be asked if I believe this rather than arrive at faulty conclusions.