Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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throughfaith said:
2 tim 2.15 is key
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Yes. Before you’re saved, you are commanded to repent and believe. After you are saved, you are commanded to put off the old man and put on the new man to the glory of God

Not complicated.
 
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OIC1965 said:
The fact that we fail every day, (which we do), does not allow us to ignore 2 Timothy 2:19, Ephesians 4:22-24, Colossians 3:5-14.

We are to obey those passages to the glory of God.

...and just because sanctification is a gradual process, doesn’t mean we throw in the towel. We strive, fail, get up and strive again, and in the process, we GROW

A baby will fall many times before it learns to walk.
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Do you hold to ' Perseverance of the saints ' ? P In TULIP ? Would you agree with the Calvinist take on ' having' to endure to the end to be saved ' ?
 
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Do you hold to ' Perseverance of the saints ' ? P In TULIP ? Would you agree with the Calvinist take on ' having' to endure to the end to be saved ' ?
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I believe that Jesus keeps His Sheep.
 
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Magenta said:


Matthew 11:28-30:)
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. Before you’re saved, you are commanded to repent and believe. After you are saved, you are commanded to put off the old man and put on the new man to the glory of God

Not complicated.
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Lordship salvation definitely complicates the Gospel. If that's what you hold to ?
 
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throughfaith said:
Do you hold to ' Perseverance of the saints ' ? P In TULIP ? Would you agree with the Calvinist take on ' having' to endure to the end to be saved ' ?
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Always back to Calvinism with you.
 
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Lordship salvation definitely complicates the Gospel. If that's what you hold to ?
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I believe you are saved by Grace through faith alone. After you are saved, I believe in teaching people to be disciples.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Who are the other sheep that are not of this fold?
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Other jews . Remember who Jesus said he came for ? Its not until 10 years after Acts 2 do we see the realisation that God had granted to the Gentiles ( Acts 11 )
 
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OIC1965 said:
What did I say that was Calvinistic? Jesus keeping His sheep is Calvinistic? Lol
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Absolutely. They think they are the sheep. The inner ones . The ones in the ' know ' . The elect ones the hear the voice !! voice ! voice of the call !! call !! call of their shepherd.
No the sheep are Jews .
 
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Absolutely. They think they are the sheep. The inner ones . The ones in the ' know ' . The elect ones the hear the voice !! voice ! voice of the call !! call !! call of their shepherd.
No the sheep are Jews .
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throughfaith said:
Absolutely. They think they are the sheep. The inner ones . The ones in the ' know ' . The elect ones the hear the voice !! voice ! voice of the call !! call !! call of their shepherd.
No the sheep are Jews .
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Read John 10:16
 
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Other jews . Remember who Jesus said he came for ? Its not until 10 years after Acts 2 do we see the realisation that God had granted to the Gentiles ( Acts 11 )
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So Jesus didn’t know the Gentiles would be saved?

So Jesus had two different folds during His earthly ministry?
 
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