Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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I'm very well aware that God's laws, under the New Covenant are different from that of the Old Covenant. And that we are required to obey the New Covenant laws. And to always sincerely repent of all daily sins. If we do that, God forgives our sins. That's how it works, according to the Bible.
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what do you make of being born again ? Do you think that the gospel is able to change the core in us that causes us to sin ?
is there anything in the gospel that can set us free from sins dominion over us ? Can we change through the gospel ? Or rather can faith change us through the gospel?
or do we remai the same and just continue to ask forgiveness ?
is there anything in the gospel that can set us free from sins dominion over us ? Can we change through the gospel ? Or rather can faith change us through the gospel?
or do we remai the same and just continue to ask forgiveness ?
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Edited due to character limit in my reply. Please understand. 
You're going to find a critic for those observations you realize.
They're going to insist Paul never said there were different kinds of sin. That sin was sin.
This of course is not so and we should rebuke such things because they mislead those who may seek understanding of scripture.
Some arrive at that conclusion, Paul taught sin is sin, because they read Romans3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Paul's ministry was informed by the holy spirit. Jesus taught there were different types of sin. Therefore Paul would not go against that were he informed by the sacred spirit that said it first.
John 19:11 Jesus replied, “You would have no authority[ae] over me at all, unless it was given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you[af] is guilty of greater sin.”[ag]
Footnote:
[ae]Or “power.”
[af]Or “who delivered me over to you.”sn The one who handed me over to you appears to be a reference to Judas at first; yet Judas did not deliver Jesus up to Pilate, but to the Jewish authorities. The singular may be a reference to Caiaphas, who as high priest was representative of all the Jewish authorities, or it may be a generic singular referring to all the Jewish authorities directly. In either case the end result is more or less the same.
[ag]Grk “has the greater sin” (an idiom). Because Pilate had no authority over Jesus except what had been given to him from God, the one who handed Jesus over to Pilate was guilty of greater sin. This does not absolve Pilate of guilt; it simply means his guilt was less than those who handed Jesus over to him, because he was not acting against Jesus out of deliberate hatred or calculated malice, like the Jewish religious authorities. These were thereby guilty of greater sin.
Idiom: a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light).
And also, it is true, the Christian is not perfect once saved. However, our sins, our missing the righteous mark expected of us by God, does not result in the former death and damnation that once awaited the unrepentant, the lost sinner. Rather, those missteps are under the blood of Christ for all time because we have Jesus as our advocate with the father.
I remember when then candidate Trump was asked about his Christian faith. One question pertained to confession of his sins, or asking God to forgive him his sins. He said he didn't ask God to forgive him because he strives not to disappoint God. Not his exact words but near enough.
There are those today who hate Trump and think he is not a Christian and yet I wonder how many of those would say the Christian once saved having repented their sins as a fallen sinner no longer need ask forgiveness for any future sins?
Because that isn't in the scripture.
The repentance isn't to keep our souls saved of course. It is more for us to release our feeling of guilt for having disappointed God with our actions. Being aware we have missed the mark is having a conscious awareness of the difference between sin and righteousness.
Hebrews 12:7 Endure your suffering[h] as discipline;[i] God is treating you as sons. For what son is there that a father does not discipline? 8 But if you do not experience discipline,[j] something all sons[k] have shared in, then you are illegitimate and are not sons. 9 Besides, we have experienced discipline from[l] our earthly fathers[m] and we respected them; shall we not submit ourselves all the more to the Father of spirits and receive life?[n] 10 For they disciplined us for a little while as seemed good to them, but he does so for our benefit, that we may share his holiness. 11 Now all discipline seems painful at the time, not joyful.[o] But later it produces the fruit of peace and righteousness[p] for those trained by it. 12 Therefore, strengthen[q] your listless hands and your weak knees,[r] 13 and make straight paths for your feet,[s] so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but be healed.
2 Samuel 12:13Then David exclaimed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord!” Nathan replied to David, “Yes, and the Lord has forgiven[y] your sin. You are not going to die. 14 Nonetheless, because you have treated the Lord with such contempt[z] in this matter, the son who has been born to you will certainly die.”
15 Then Nathan went to his home. The Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and the child became very ill.[aa] 16 Then David prayed to[ab] God for the child and fasted.[ac] He would even[ad] go and spend the night lying on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood over him and tried to lift him from the ground, but he was unwilling, and refused to eat food with them.
David knows that his son's condition was brought upon him by the Lord as punishment against David for his unrepentant sin with Bathsheba. David prays for the Lord to show mercy instead. The Scripture says plainly that David's sin has already been taken away by his faith, so salvation was not in question. Nonetheless, David feels the need to pray for forgiveness, because he wishes to save his son.
The Christian who feels led to repent of wrong doing due to the leading of their conscience is not wrong in doing so.
It is a relationship not a religion. If someone feels led to repent of a sin they believe they have committed as one who is in Christ, do so. God knows all things, is Omniscient. You're not doing this to make God aware. Rather, you're doing this to make yourself feel release from having disappointed God with your behavior(s). Or , whatever reason you feel led to repent.
It's personal.
Never let anyone's personal opinion against that, because it isn't supported by scripture, lead you to do anything less if you feel led to repent. God sees them too.
You're going to find a critic for those observations you realize.
They're going to insist Paul never said there were different kinds of sin. That sin was sin.
This of course is not so and we should rebuke such things because they mislead those who may seek understanding of scripture.
Some arrive at that conclusion, Paul taught sin is sin, because they read Romans3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Paul's ministry was informed by the holy spirit. Jesus taught there were different types of sin. Therefore Paul would not go against that were he informed by the sacred spirit that said it first.
John 19:11 Jesus replied, “You would have no authority[ae] over me at all, unless it was given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you[af] is guilty of greater sin.”[ag]
Footnote:
[ae]Or “power.”
[af]Or “who delivered me over to you.”sn The one who handed me over to you appears to be a reference to Judas at first; yet Judas did not deliver Jesus up to Pilate, but to the Jewish authorities. The singular may be a reference to Caiaphas, who as high priest was representative of all the Jewish authorities, or it may be a generic singular referring to all the Jewish authorities directly. In either case the end result is more or less the same.
[ag]Grk “has the greater sin” (an idiom). Because Pilate had no authority over Jesus except what had been given to him from God, the one who handed Jesus over to Pilate was guilty of greater sin. This does not absolve Pilate of guilt; it simply means his guilt was less than those who handed Jesus over to him, because he was not acting against Jesus out of deliberate hatred or calculated malice, like the Jewish religious authorities. These were thereby guilty of greater sin.
Idiom: a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light).
- a form of expression natural to a language, person, or group of people
- the dialect of a people or part of a country
- a characteristic mode of expression in music or art.
And also, it is true, the Christian is not perfect once saved. However, our sins, our missing the righteous mark expected of us by God, does not result in the former death and damnation that once awaited the unrepentant, the lost sinner. Rather, those missteps are under the blood of Christ for all time because we have Jesus as our advocate with the father.
I remember when then candidate Trump was asked about his Christian faith. One question pertained to confession of his sins, or asking God to forgive him his sins. He said he didn't ask God to forgive him because he strives not to disappoint God. Not his exact words but near enough.
There are those today who hate Trump and think he is not a Christian and yet I wonder how many of those would say the Christian once saved having repented their sins as a fallen sinner no longer need ask forgiveness for any future sins?
Because that isn't in the scripture.
The repentance isn't to keep our souls saved of course. It is more for us to release our feeling of guilt for having disappointed God with our actions. Being aware we have missed the mark is having a conscious awareness of the difference between sin and righteousness.
Hebrews 12:7 Endure your suffering[h] as discipline;[i] God is treating you as sons. For what son is there that a father does not discipline? 8 But if you do not experience discipline,[j] something all sons[k] have shared in, then you are illegitimate and are not sons. 9 Besides, we have experienced discipline from[l] our earthly fathers[m] and we respected them; shall we not submit ourselves all the more to the Father of spirits and receive life?[n] 10 For they disciplined us for a little while as seemed good to them, but he does so for our benefit, that we may share his holiness. 11 Now all discipline seems painful at the time, not joyful.[o] But later it produces the fruit of peace and righteousness[p] for those trained by it. 12 Therefore, strengthen[q] your listless hands and your weak knees,[r] 13 and make straight paths for your feet,[s] so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but be healed.
2 Samuel 12:13Then David exclaimed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord!” Nathan replied to David, “Yes, and the Lord has forgiven[y] your sin. You are not going to die. 14 Nonetheless, because you have treated the Lord with such contempt[z] in this matter, the son who has been born to you will certainly die.”
15 Then Nathan went to his home. The Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and the child became very ill.[aa] 16 Then David prayed to[ab] God for the child and fasted.[ac] He would even[ad] go and spend the night lying on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood over him and tried to lift him from the ground, but he was unwilling, and refused to eat food with them.
David knows that his son's condition was brought upon him by the Lord as punishment against David for his unrepentant sin with Bathsheba. David prays for the Lord to show mercy instead. The Scripture says plainly that David's sin has already been taken away by his faith, so salvation was not in question. Nonetheless, David feels the need to pray for forgiveness, because he wishes to save his son.
The Christian who feels led to repent of wrong doing due to the leading of their conscience is not wrong in doing so.
It is a relationship not a religion. If someone feels led to repent of a sin they believe they have committed as one who is in Christ, do so. God knows all things, is Omniscient. You're not doing this to make God aware. Rather, you're doing this to make yourself feel release from having disappointed God with your behavior(s). Or , whatever reason you feel led to repent.
It's personal.
Never let anyone's personal opinion against that, because it isn't supported by scripture, lead you to do anything less if you feel led to repent. God sees them too.
Yes to Put adultery and it’s grip On mankind , we need to believe the gospel and cut it off where it forms a foothold
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: ( work of the flesh)
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” ( word of the spirit)
Matthew 5:27-28 KJV
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
Romans 8:5-6, 12-14
Following the spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
we need to change our minds and hearts from what we thought to what Jesus said that changes us to hear and accept and believe conforming to the word of Christ
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: ( work of the flesh)
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” ( word of the spirit)
Matthew 5:27-28 KJV
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
Romans 8:5-6, 12-14
Following the spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
we need to change our minds and hearts from what we thought to what Jesus said that changes us to hear and accept and believe conforming to the word of Christ
yea we’re saved by grace , that’s not everything it’s a summary it has no understanding of what grace is .
we are saved no by grace alone but by grace through faith . Faith comes from what God said that’s the only place it can come from .
in the Bible there are two distinct forms of grace taught one is the grave of God that teaches us repentance and righteousness through the gospel . A
The other Grace taught about is a distortion of grace by false teachings this grave omits what God said through Christ and claims salvation . This grace requires that truth is cast aside in favor pf. The term “ grace” so you have grace and truth which came by Christ and looks like this and saves
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
that’s Gods Grace it doesn’t hide from the teachings it doesn’t argue that repentance isn’t necessary , doesn’t omit the word of God but like Noah was saved by grace he still heard the instructions given of God and did what God said would save him so he was saved by grace through faith.
grave can easily be changed when we remove the lords word.
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4 KJV
that happens through false teachings about the gospel
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4
just like eve was and then adam and so
On . The effects of this on the church is devastating
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
you know how so
Many grace alone believers hate the message Jesus taught about repentance , about eternal judgement , all of the true teachings of God ? The things were meant to believe and walk in ? It’s because of so many false and variance of ideas about what God said and what is needed
Jesus is the one who has all the answers it’s why he sent the gospel into the world so we can believe the truth and be saved even though there are a hundred fraudulent versions of the gospel , there is still the one true Gospel that offers eternal
Life in Gods kingdom we need to simply let the gospel form our beliefs and know the truth
we are saved no by grace alone but by grace through faith . Faith comes from what God said that’s the only place it can come from .
in the Bible there are two distinct forms of grace taught one is the grave of God that teaches us repentance and righteousness through the gospel . A
The other Grace taught about is a distortion of grace by false teachings this grave omits what God said through Christ and claims salvation . This grace requires that truth is cast aside in favor pf. The term “ grace” so you have grace and truth which came by Christ and looks like this and saves
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
that’s Gods Grace it doesn’t hide from the teachings it doesn’t argue that repentance isn’t necessary , doesn’t omit the word of God but like Noah was saved by grace he still heard the instructions given of God and did what God said would save him so he was saved by grace through faith.
grave can easily be changed when we remove the lords word.
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4 KJV
that happens through false teachings about the gospel
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4
just like eve was and then adam and so
On . The effects of this on the church is devastating
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
you know how so
Many grace alone believers hate the message Jesus taught about repentance , about eternal judgement , all of the true teachings of God ? The things were meant to believe and walk in ? It’s because of so many false and variance of ideas about what God said and what is needed
Jesus is the one who has all the answers it’s why he sent the gospel into the world so we can believe the truth and be saved even though there are a hundred fraudulent versions of the gospel , there is still the one true Gospel that offers eternal
Life in Gods kingdom we need to simply let the gospel form our beliefs and know the truth
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I believe you mean grace, not grave.
I agree, because the verse say by grace through faith, if we remove faith, than He remove grace.
Grace seal if we not remove faith.
Being from Muslim country, I hear a lot of story about how Muslim convert to Jesus. Some are strong, but some are weak.
One of my ex neighbor was converted for some time, but she loose her income with 3 children.
She back to Muslim or her Muslim brother not support her.
Loose her faith mean loose her grace of salvation.
I agree, because the verse say by grace through faith, if we remove faith, than He remove grace.
Grace seal if we not remove faith.
Being from Muslim country, I hear a lot of story about how Muslim convert to Jesus. Some are strong, but some are weak.
One of my ex neighbor was converted for some time, but she loose her income with 3 children.
She back to Muslim or her Muslim brother not support her.
Loose her faith mean loose her grace of salvation.
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