Shining Light on 1 Corinthians Chapter 15

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Wansvic

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No . He says that of first ( importance) thing was the Gosepl. its the most important thing. He would have taught other things . But the first thing was the Gospel.
Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
 
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Another interesting fact associated with this story is found in Acts 11. Peter is explaining everything that occurred in his interaction with Cornelius with the Jewish Council because Jews were forbidden to associate with Gentiles.

Please pay special attention to the comment Peter makes at the end of verse 17. He says Who was he to withstand God AFTER seeing the group filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost in the same way the Jews had at Pentecost. One can only conclude that Peter is speaking of it not being his place to withstand God by forbidding to administer water baptism. This point is confirmed when reading Peter comment to the disciples with him in Acts 10, "Can any forbid these water that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:47)

Considering Peter's final points recorded in Acts 11, it is clear that the Council had a problem with Peter water baptizing the Gentiles. However, after hearing what happened they held their peace and accepted that God had granted repentance unto life to the Gentiles.
This record speaks directly to the truth that water baptism plays a part in the rebirth experience.

Acts 11:17-18
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
You present a good case for baptism in water serving as an "official" initiation rite, and a requirement for admission to the church but nevertheless we know that they were regenerated, born again, 'saved' before the water baptism as witnessed by the filling of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. This was why they knew. And as a result they demonstrated "rebirth" to Peter and therefore they were ready for baptism in water.

Baptism in water should not be administered unless the person is known to be "rebirthed" wouldn't you agree?

Now some have taken that way too far and on the mission field many western missionaries have required and taught that new converts be taught for sometime and have a testimony of a truly converted life style before being allowed to be baptized whereby they then become an official voting member of the church. I don't agree with that concept. I think the scriptures teach an urgency of baptism in water upon confession of faith before they have had time to "prove" their sincerity over a probationary time.
 
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Another interesting fact associated with this story is found in Acts 11. Peter is explaining everything that occurred in his interaction with Cornelius with the Jewish Council because Jews were forbidden to associate with Gentiles.

Please pay special attention to the comment Peter makes at the end of verse 17. He says Who was he to withstand God AFTER seeing the group filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost in the same way the Jews had at Pentecost. One can only conclude that Peter is speaking of it not being his place to withstand God by forbidding to administer water baptism. This point is confirmed when reading Peter comment to the disciples with him in Acts 10, "Can any forbid these water that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:47)

Considering Peter's final points recorded in Acts 11, it is clear that the Council had a problem with Peter water baptizing the Gentiles. However, after hearing what happened they held their peace and accepted that God had granted repentance unto life to the Gentiles.
This record speaks directly to the truth that water baptism plays a part in the rebirth experience.

Acts 11:17-18
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
And if baptism were not of profound importance, the conversation would not have even happened.
 

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If so, why do scriptures state that remission of sin is directly associated with water baptism?

Acts 22:16
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38
...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Luke 3:3
3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Luke 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 19:4-5
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 

throughfaith

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#85
If so, why do scriptures state that remission of sin is directly associated with water baptism?

Acts 22:16
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38
...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Luke 3:3
3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Luke 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 19:4-5
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
1) Jews
2) Jews
3) Jews
4)Jews
5)Jews
 

throughfaith

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#86
Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Because your trying to place things that happened into the book of Acts into Paul's epistles this is what's causing you to interpret 1 cor 15 in an awkward way . Paul is saying the Gospel is what he shared first. If Paul is reminding them of the Gospel he taught them and does not mention water baptism then we see that Water baptism is not what is necessary to be saved in any sense.We Would expect to see Paul labour on water being necessary all over his epistles .
 

throughfaith

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Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
This is an assumption. You cannot find a direct instruction where Paul is commanding people to be saved by water in his epistles.
 

throughfaith

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This is an assumption. You cannot find a direct instruction where Paul is commanding people to be saved by water in his epistles.
Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Water has never had any magical properties to save anyone . Its the object of our faith that saves . Water is not the ' object of our faith that saves.
 

throughfaith

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For those of you who say baptism isn't a part of salvation, but still say water baptism is important, what purpose does it serve?
Remembering that Jesus was pretty down on public display. He was fairly rough on the Pharisees for all their public displayery, and he also said when doing charity give with the left hand so that the right don't know. So it would be very contradictory to his general teaching to say don't do this stuff for public display, but we change the rules for baptism.
Also the Ethiopian that Philip baptized, there was Philip, the Eunuch, and a driver. That's not really much of a public display.
Because what I read in scripture is that baptism joins you to Christ in his death. Kind of the way that Noah was saved through the water in his boat, and Moses also saved through the water in his baby boat, and Isreal was saved from bondage in Egypt by passing through the water of the red sea. Now also those who God judged in the day of Noah died in the water, and the Egyptians also judged and died in the water. Only those who God sanctified and saved passed through alive. The evil the sin the wicked died in the waters.
Your confusing the transitions that were taking place through the Gospels and the book of Acts . The jews were being baptised by John to show that they were serious about their sins and that Jesus is the only proper basis for the forgiveness of those sins .
 

throughfaith

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For those of you who say baptism isn't a part of salvation, but still say water baptism is important, what purpose does it serve?
Remembering that Jesus was pretty down on public display. He was fairly rough on the Pharisees for all their public displayery, and he also said when doing charity give with the left hand so that the right don't know. So it would be very contradictory to his general teaching to say don't do this stuff for public display, but we change the rules for baptism.
Also the Ethiopian that Philip baptized, there was Philip, the Eunuch, and a driver. That's not really much of a public display.
Because what I read in scripture is that baptism joins you to Christ in his death. Kind of the way that Noah was saved through the water in his boat, and Moses also saved through the water in his baby boat, and Isreal was saved from bondage in Egypt by passing through the water of the red sea. Now also those who God judged in the day of Noah died in the water, and the Egyptians also judged and died in the water. Only those who God sanctified and saved passed through alive. The evil the sin the wicked died in the waters.
Noah was saved by the Ark he spent so long building.Heb 11
7¶By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the SAVING of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
 

throughfaith

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Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Everone is saved by Faith . Evidenced by people still today that are saved with out getting wet .
 
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Your confusing the transitions that were taking place through the Gospels and the book of Acts . The jews were being baptised by John to show that they were serious about their sins and that Jesus is the only proper basis for the forgiveness of those sins .
“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Acts 10:47‭-‬48
 

throughfaith

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“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Acts 10:47‭-‬48
They have already recieved the Holy Spirit. Notice the difference from the other 29 conversion accounts , in this TRANSITIONAL book of what HAPPENED and not what is prescribed but DESCRIBED .?
 

throughfaith

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#94
Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 AND THAT he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5AND THAT he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 AFTER THAT he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 AFTER THAT , he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Notice the bits highlighted? Thats all that's going on here .
 
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The idea that baptism is different for Jews than it is for gentiles is almost too absurd to address. It however must be because heresy is being espoused.

Jesus said, And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 NASB1995
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 28:19 NASB1995

Then in acts the jailer and his household are baptized, the Ethiopian also baptized,
Acts chapter 10 gentiles also baptized.
The explanation as to what baptism is, is found in Romans, Galatians, and Colossians, which are not Jewish cities.

Also there is no Jew, or gentile in Christ, and according to scripture you are joined to Christ in baptism. Joined to him in his death.

This rejection of baptism is brought to you by revivalism which first dropped discipleship, with tent meetings eliciting a decision for Christ and then moving on with a big fat zero in follow up or church planting, and is now dropping baptism. All of this finds me of a video I watched "5 reasons I am not a charismatic". The most egregious is the number of false teachings, such as fallible prophecy, the prosperity doctrine, and now the abandonment of water baptism, to name a few.

When we have 2000 years of church history including the writings of those discipled by the Apostles themselves. Apologists who wrote letters explaining the things that Christians believe to oppressive persecutors of the church in attempt to assuage their persecution. There is left very little to argue about. Polycarp, martyred for his faith after being John's disciple wrote explaining these things. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origin, Justin and so on and so forth all subsequent leaders of the church all apologists who wrote clearly explaining what the church believes and what they were doing, but we throw that away for what some 20th century preacher in a dubious denomination founded in the 1900s says.
 

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1) Jews
2) Jews
3) Jews
4)Jews
5)Jews
The idea that baptism is different for Jews than it is for gentiles is almost too absurd to address. It however must be because heresy is being espoused.

Jesus said, And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 NASB1995
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 28:19 NASB1995

Then in acts the jailer and his household are baptized, the Ethiopian also baptized,
Acts chapter 10 gentiles also baptized.
The explanation as to what baptism is, is found in Romans, Galatians, and Colossians, which are not Jewish cities.

Also there is no Jew, or gentile in Christ, and according to scripture you are joined to Christ in baptism. Joined to him in his death.

This rejection of baptism is brought to you by revivalism which first dropped discipleship, with tent meetings eliciting a decision for Christ and then moving on with a big fat zero in follow up or church planting, and is now dropping baptism. All of this finds me of a video I watched "5 reasons I am not a charismatic". The most egregious is the number of false teachings, such as fallible prophecy, the prosperity doctrine, and now the abandonment of water baptism, to name a few.

When we have 2000 years of church history including the writings of those discipled by the Apostles themselves. Apologists who wrote letters explaining the things that Christians believe to oppressive persecutors of the church in attempt to assuage their persecution. There is left very little to argue about. Polycarp, martyred for his faith after being John's disciple wrote explaining these things. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origin, Justin and so on and so forth all subsequent leaders of the church all apologists who wrote clearly explaining what the church believes and what they were doing, but we throw that away for what some 20th century preacher in a dubious denomination founded in the 1900s says.
Can you show were Jesus or John the baptist is , baptising Gentiles ' for the remission of sins ' ?
 

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The idea that baptism is different for Jews than it is for gentiles is almost too absurd to address. It however must be because heresy is being espoused.

Jesus said, And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 NASB1995
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 28:19 NASB1995

Then in acts the jailer and his household are baptized, the Ethiopian also baptized,
Acts chapter 10 gentiles also baptized.
The explanation as to what baptism is, is found in Romans, Galatians, and Colossians, which are not Jewish cities.

Also there is no Jew, or gentile in Christ, and according to scripture you are joined to Christ in baptism. Joined to him in his death.

This rejection of baptism is brought to you by revivalism which first dropped discipleship, with tent meetings eliciting a decision for Christ and then moving on with a big fat zero in follow up or church planting, and is now dropping baptism. All of this finds me of a video I watched "5 reasons I am not a charismatic". The most egregious is the number of false teachings, such as fallible prophecy, the prosperity doctrine, and now the abandonment of water baptism, to name a few.

When we have 2000 years of church history including the writings of those discipled by the Apostles themselves. Apologists who wrote letters explaining the things that Christians believe to oppressive persecutors of the church in attempt to assuage their persecution. There is left very little to argue about. Polycarp, martyred for his faith after being John's disciple wrote explaining these things. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origin, Justin and so on and so forth all subsequent leaders of the church all apologists who wrote clearly explaining what the church believes and what they were doing, but we throw that away for what some 20th century preacher in a dubious denomination founded in the 1900s says.
You are confused deeply about water , baptism and the Holy Spirit. Until you recognise the distinctions you will remain confused. ( with respect)
 

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#98
The idea that baptism is different for Jews than it is for gentiles is almost too absurd to address. It however must be because heresy is being espoused.

Jesus said, And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 NASB1995
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 28:19 NASB1995

Then in acts the jailer and his household are baptized, the Ethiopian also baptized,
Acts chapter 10 gentiles also baptized.
The explanation as to what baptism is, is found in Romans, Galatians, and Colossians, which are not Jewish cities.

Also there is no Jew, or gentile in Christ, and according to scripture you are joined to Christ in baptism. Joined to him in his death.

This rejection of baptism is brought to you by revivalism which first dropped discipleship, with tent meetings eliciting a decision for Christ and then moving on with a big fat zero in follow up or church planting, and is now dropping baptism. All of this finds me of a video I watched "5 reasons I am not a charismatic". The most egregious is the number of false teachings, such as fallible prophecy, the prosperity doctrine, and now the abandonment of water baptism, to name a few.

When we have 2000 years of church history including the writings of those discipled by the Apostles themselves. Apologists who wrote letters explaining the things that Christians believe to oppressive persecutors of the church in attempt to assuage their persecution. There is left very little to argue about. Polycarp, martyred for his faith after being John's disciple wrote explaining these things. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origin, Justin and so on and so forth all subsequent leaders of the church all apologists who wrote clearly explaining what the church believes and what they were doing, but we throw that away for what some 20th century preacher in a dubious denomination founded in the 1900s says.
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel ( 1cor 1.15 ) to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized (by the holy spirit )shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 

mailmandan

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The scripture clearly speaks specifically to their rejecting the counsel of God by refusing to be baptized.

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Luke 7:29 - When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they justified God/acknowledged God's justice, (signified by) having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, (signified by) not having been baptized by John. Baptism did not magically make them become disciples, but their decision to become disciples was signified in baptism.
 

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Please see the actual wording below:

1 Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul goes on to remind them of what he shared first indicating other things were shared as well;

3 For I delivered unto you FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(see Acts 2. 8. 10. 19, etc. all begin by sharing Jesus' death, burial and resurrection afterward giving commands that require obedience.)

He then addresses who saw Jesus after His resurrection:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The rest of the chapter is dedicated to concepts associated with resurrection such as the one's below:

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.