Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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1 YES, the blood of Christ is the saving element
2synbolic as in symbolic.....the bread does not become a body nor does the wine become blood
3. I never said nor intimated that the bible is completely literal......after all, Revelation proves that.
4. Yes I did answer. You asked about exegesis.
2synbolic as in symbolic.....the bread does not become a body nor does the wine become blood
3. I never said nor intimated that the bible is completely literal......after all, Revelation proves that.
4. Yes I did answer. You asked about exegesis.
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Thank you.
Did you read this part?
The Muratorian fragment, also known as the Muratorian Canon[1](18:02) or Canon Muratori, is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of most of the books of the New Testament. The fragment, consisting of 85 lines, is a 7th-century Latin manuscript bound in a 7th- or 8th-century codex from the library of Columbanus's monastery at Bobbio Abbey; it contains features suggesting it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170 or as late as the 4th century. Both the degraded condition of the manuscript and the poor Latin in which it was written have made it difficult to translate. The beginning of the fragment is missing, and it ends abruptly. The fragment consists of all that remains of a section of a list of all the works that were accepted as canonical by the churches known to its original compiler. It was discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan by Father Ludovico Antonio Muratori (1672–1750), the most famous Italian historian of his generation, and published in 1740.[2]
The definitive formation of the New Testament canon did not occur until 367, when bishop Athanasius of Alexandria in his annual Easter letter composed the list that is still recognised today as the canon of 27 books. However, it would take several more centuries of debates until agreement on Athanasius' canon had been reached within all of Christendom.[1](7:30)
Just as an aside. With regard to the Bibliography [1] reference from your source. Are you aware that Bart Ehrman is an atheist? Even though he is allowed to remain as the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
Did you read this part?
The Muratorian fragment, also known as the Muratorian Canon[1](18:02) or Canon Muratori, is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of most of the books of the New Testament. The fragment, consisting of 85 lines, is a 7th-century Latin manuscript bound in a 7th- or 8th-century codex from the library of Columbanus's monastery at Bobbio Abbey; it contains features suggesting it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170 or as late as the 4th century. Both the degraded condition of the manuscript and the poor Latin in which it was written have made it difficult to translate. The beginning of the fragment is missing, and it ends abruptly. The fragment consists of all that remains of a section of a list of all the works that were accepted as canonical by the churches known to its original compiler. It was discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan by Father Ludovico Antonio Muratori (1672–1750), the most famous Italian historian of his generation, and published in 1740.[2]
The definitive formation of the New Testament canon did not occur until 367, when bishop Athanasius of Alexandria in his annual Easter letter composed the list that is still recognised today as the canon of 27 books. However, it would take several more centuries of debates until agreement on Athanasius' canon had been reached within all of Christendom.[1](7:30)
Just as an aside. With regard to the Bibliography [1] reference from your source. Are you aware that Bart Ehrman is an atheist? Even though he is allowed to remain as the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
“ having predestinated” in verse 5 is an aorist participle following verse 4 which says that God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.
According as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world...having predestinated us (aorist participle)
The predestination MUST BE before the foundation of the world for the same reason sealing of the Spirit follows faith. The grammatical syntax demands it
You don’t even get verse 4 right, Why would I think you would get verse 5 right?
According as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world...having predestinated us (aorist participle)
The predestination MUST BE before the foundation of the world for the same reason sealing of the Spirit follows faith. The grammatical syntax demands it
You don’t even get verse 4 right, Why would I think you would get verse 5 right?
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your wrong already,
the penalty of SIN IS DEATH,
again impossible, you need to study of on the Essence of God his attributes are perfect
his love Can not overrule his justice
His justice demands payment for the guilt of sin, that payment is death
his love can not overturn this, but it can make a way that satisfies its justice, which it did, he who knew no sin became sin for us that we might be made:righteous (justified)
his love satisfied his justice, but justification is not forced on anyone, it is given to those who believe
as perfect judge, he can not make one alive who is under the penalty of sin. This would go against his justice
regeneration Can not precede justification, gods perfect character and attributes will not allow it
the penalty of SIN IS DEATH,
again impossible, you need to study of on the Essence of God his attributes are perfect
his love Can not overrule his justice
His justice demands payment for the guilt of sin, that payment is death
his love can not overturn this, but it can make a way that satisfies its justice, which it did, he who knew no sin became sin for us that we might be made:righteous (justified)
his love satisfied his justice, but justification is not forced on anyone, it is given to those who believe
as perfect judge, he can not make one alive who is under the penalty of sin. This would go against his justice
regeneration Can not precede justification, gods perfect character and attributes will not allow it
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We are by God's grace through faith. Acts 16:31 “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you should be saved. ”
OK. You didn't answer about baptism. Is baptism symbolic?
Thanks. I'll remember that.
No, you did not. I asked if you believe we are saved by faith alone.
Exegesis:critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.
OK. You didn't answer about baptism. Is baptism symbolic?
Thanks. I'll remember that.
No, you did not. I asked if you believe we are saved by faith alone.
Exegesis:critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.
Your source?
Regular Baptist Ministries
GIVING THANKS FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS FROM GOD
An Introductory Meditation on Ephesians 1:3–14
by Myron J. Houghton
Regular Baptist Ministries
GIVING THANKS FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS FROM GOD
An Introductory Meditation on Ephesians 1:3–14
by Myron J. Houghton
Addition to last post.
Verse 3 refers to every spiritual blessing given us in Christ Jesus. Paul then goes on to enumerate many of those blessings. Some, election, predestination happened in eternity past. Some happened after conversion. And some will happen in the future. ( that in the ages to come).
Just a reminder...2 Timothy 1:9 says that grace was given to us before the world began as well.
Verse 3 refers to every spiritual blessing given us in Christ Jesus. Paul then goes on to enumerate many of those blessings. Some, election, predestination happened in eternity past. Some happened after conversion. And some will happen in the future. ( that in the ages to come).
Just a reminder...2 Timothy 1:9 says that grace was given to us before the world began as well.
soggykitten said:
Your source?
Regular Baptist Ministries
GIVING THANKS FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS FROM GOD
An Introductory Meditation on Ephesians 1:3–14
by Myron J. Houghton
OIC1965 post #595 not visible now for some reason. Disappeared as I made this post?
My source. Any Greek grammar will identify what an aorist participle is and how it functions.
My reply: Thank you. I thought you may have forgotten to link RBM as your source. No worries, it happens.
Your source?
Regular Baptist Ministries
GIVING THANKS FOR SPECIAL BLESSINGS FROM GOD
An Introductory Meditation on Ephesians 1:3–14
by Myron J. Houghton
OIC1965 post #595 not visible now for some reason. Disappeared as I made this post?
My source. Any Greek grammar will identify what an aorist participle is and how it functions.
My reply: Thank you. I thought you may have forgotten to link RBM as your source. No worries, it happens.
