Calling Jesus "Lord,' without choosing to obey Him with one's life, is useless and is not able to save anyone.
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Lordship salvation is a doctrine from hell.
"Easy believeism" are foolish words to those of us who trust in Christ alone, and nothing of ourselves, for our salvation.
God made it "easy" for us but need to remember it was not so easy for Christ on the cross. To trample in the dirt His sacrifice in blood to assure salvation for all His people should shame everyone who espouses it.
Jesus said it was BELIEF
"Easy believeism" are foolish words to those of us who trust in Christ alone, and nothing of ourselves, for our salvation.
God made it "easy" for us but need to remember it was not so easy for Christ on the cross. To trample in the dirt His sacrifice in blood to assure salvation for all His people should shame everyone who espouses it.
Jesus said it was BELIEF
It looks like we agree pretty much the same as each other on this subject. I don't exactly in what ways we don't quite agree, as all I noticed is what we agree on, and I can't see anything I didn't agree on - of what you said. As you say, it isn't abiding by Moses' laws that saves us, as we're under the New Covenant, now. But one way New Testament believers are the same as Old Testament believers - is that it was those who sincerely served God with their hearts and did their best to keep sins out of their lives, and to always repent of daily unintentional sins - whom are the ones God accepts - He has always forgiven their sins when they repented of them. And in believers from the Old Testament times, as well as believers from the times under the New Covenant - all get forgiven of sins when they sincerely repent - as a result of Jesus sacrifice for sins on Calvary.
Heb 11:40
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
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Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
KJV
Heb 11:10
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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Heb 12:22
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
KJV
I enjoy your discussion of spiritual things too! God bless you!
Heb 11:40
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
KJV
Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
KJV
Heb 11:10
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
KJV
Heb 12:22
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
KJV
I enjoy your discussion of spiritual things too! God bless you!
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you seem very mature I must say
there is no list. You will find a list from Moses if you want that . Christ doesn’t give a list he teaches the spirit and nature of Gods children to believers. Try beginning here
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
Luke 6:35-37 KJV
if you want to abserve his teachings as a list you have to take the time to learn them. Of course that’s not your intent we understand
but look at the type of things Jesus taught. It’s a belief and attitude a perception that will guide our lives . It’s a faith he taught. If you are looking for a natural list of fleshly ordinances you will not find them if you look at the gospel like that you will not get it like these people
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?”
John 6:29, 45, 53-54, 60
Do you understand Jesus was not teaching people to commit cannibalism ? It’s not a list of dos and donts like you are wanting that is the law of
Moses . Jesus teachings are spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not.
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:63-64, 68-69
seems a silly conversation honestly to me so I’ll allow you to find the list of rules you insist must be there and move on to a different discussion
but I would sort of try to avoid the childish remarks it doesn’t reflect well
there is no list. You will find a list from Moses if you want that . Christ doesn’t give a list he teaches the spirit and nature of Gods children to believers. Try beginning here
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
Luke 6:35-37 KJV
if you want to abserve his teachings as a list you have to take the time to learn them. Of course that’s not your intent we understand
but look at the type of things Jesus taught. It’s a belief and attitude a perception that will guide our lives . It’s a faith he taught. If you are looking for a natural list of fleshly ordinances you will not find them if you look at the gospel like that you will not get it like these people
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?”
John 6:29, 45, 53-54, 60
Do you understand Jesus was not teaching people to commit cannibalism ? It’s not a list of dos and donts like you are wanting that is the law of
Moses . Jesus teachings are spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not.
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:63-64, 68-69
seems a silly conversation honestly to me so I’ll allow you to find the list of rules you insist must be there and move on to a different discussion
but I would sort of try to avoid the childish remarks it doesn’t reflect well
2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I think it would be best if you quantify the truth you believe, through the faith granted to you by God's grace.
It is interesting to factor in the assumptions of believing the sky is blue: The believer has eyes, is not colour blind, is believing in an area of sky at a continuous stretch of time, where the sky is not constantly dark, close to the northern arctic during wintertime. The believer would have to be of comprehensible age to discern the colour blue and the concept sky. 
Which brings us to the notion that salvation is by grace only, even for the souls of those, that are not of comprehensible capacity, like babies or small children that died, or incapacitated fellow man.
Which brings us to the notion that salvation is by grace only, even for the souls of those, that are not of comprehensible capacity, like babies or small children that died, or incapacitated fellow man.
Cannibalism? good grief I am not catholic!!
Another sermon but no list.
Did you know that the Pilgrims were calvinists, Mr.Pilgrimshoppe?
Another sermon but no list.
Did you know that the Pilgrims were calvinists, Mr.Pilgrimshoppe?
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
God created Adam , brought him into Eden with him and gave him freedom to enjoy All things man was made in grave and blessed in grace but then God warned adam this one thing will bring you death for certain all things are yours but don’t do that or you will die . That’s life if they stick to it if they have faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
But then we have the enemy who wants to destroy us because Gods blessed and gave us dominion and made us in his image over all other beings he made man is chosen. The enemy doesn’t come with a knife or sword he comes with a word to steal the truth from the heart that believes Gods word . All satan can do at this point when we believe aGods word is this
“Now the serpent... he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, ( Gods word down in her heart) We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:1-5 KJV
That is all Satan can ever do to man once we hear the word of God if we believe it we will live , but if we allow Satan to steal what he sows in our hearts we will be cursed by his words we believe like they were. Once they reject what God said , and accept what Satan said they were deceived in thier minds
And hearts . And gave Satan a foothold in mans heart and mind.
the gospel Jesus came and preached is meant to bring us back to the image and nature of God which is what mans design is meant to be . Jesus teaches the right understanding about God and mankind , about grace and truth , about eternal Life And eternal damnation . Then he died to redeem us from sin and death and sent his word out to all who will believe and be saved
consider that you shouldn’t be the one insisting the messiah the Lord and saviors word isn’t the right one . And he said this after spending a few years teaching the gospel to those who would believe him
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
shouldn’t you be in agreement with Jesus rather than arguing that his words , the things he said are true about salvation like repentance and believing in him , believing his gospel have it wrong and the term grace is salvation ?
I’m not willing to go further in this type of argument but as a fellow believer you should look at the bigger picture and past whatever judgement you have of me , and see if what you are thinking and claiming is in line with Jesus words or if you are utterly opposed to what your Lord has said about salvation .
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yes brother I fully agree with what you are saying , we’re just using different words .
the ot has a certain mindset , and the New Testament has a certain mindset both are opposed utterly to anything evil anything unjust , any type of oppression and all of that is the same from adam.
what happened was that mankind started already in Gods image , in his presence in Eden and then he warned us not to partake of the contrasting knowledge of good and evil . Remember he separated the light and dark and saw the light was good ?
then afterwards he made Man in his image and likeness after separating good and evil . Man was never designed by God to possess the knowledge of good and evil in our nature we were made “ very good” in his image and likeness , separate from that earring nature of good and evil in us.
God forbid us not for no reason but was keeping man safe by telling them not to partake of the deadly fruit because he knew it would create sinners at heart if they did and bring death and destruction to the creation he gave to mankind. Which happened only ten generations afterwards
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
...The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13
that was not Gods plan when he created the earth and heavens and made man to rule over earth. My point about the law , or rather Paul’s repetitive points about the law is that the law of Moses wasn’t from the beginning it came about 2600 or so years after the expulsion of man from the garden and tree of life .
it was never meant for
Man originally , but it came later as a result of our transgression upon the earth And corruption of our human nature . So Paul teaches about these things and makes the point the gospel was promised well
Before the law to Abraham , and then about 400 years later God makes the covenant with his descendants through moses which has different priests the Levite’s , mediator Moses , a different intercessor Moses , a different judge Moses , over a different law the law of Moses which came as a result of mans transgression and disobedience to God rather than coming for the intent of restoring what the enemy stole and still steals from us through false doctrine
the law is good right and holy but man is flawed and needs healing the law can’t do that it can bring us to our knees in humility and repentance and create that hunger for righteousness which leads us there by faith built upon the proper foundation of Christ and his gospel .
what Jesus taught came at the time when all were under the law and condemned having sin made known , for the intent of restoring the right mind he took with the knowledge of good and evil , that’s why I quoted 1 John 5 in the end there the inderstandingnhe gave us changes us if we accept it and take it on our own selves we can know God like it says and understand what he wants and the rest we have in getting there
yes brother I fully agree with what you are saying , we’re just using different words .
the ot has a certain mindset , and the New Testament has a certain mindset both are opposed utterly to anything evil anything unjust , any type of oppression and all of that is the same from adam.
what happened was that mankind started already in Gods image , in his presence in Eden and then he warned us not to partake of the contrasting knowledge of good and evil . Remember he separated the light and dark and saw the light was good ?
then afterwards he made Man in his image and likeness after separating good and evil . Man was never designed by God to possess the knowledge of good and evil in our nature we were made “ very good” in his image and likeness , separate from that earring nature of good and evil in us.
God forbid us not for no reason but was keeping man safe by telling them not to partake of the deadly fruit because he knew it would create sinners at heart if they did and bring death and destruction to the creation he gave to mankind. Which happened only ten generations afterwards
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
...The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13
that was not Gods plan when he created the earth and heavens and made man to rule over earth. My point about the law , or rather Paul’s repetitive points about the law is that the law of Moses wasn’t from the beginning it came about 2600 or so years after the expulsion of man from the garden and tree of life .
it was never meant for
Man originally , but it came later as a result of our transgression upon the earth And corruption of our human nature . So Paul teaches about these things and makes the point the gospel was promised well
Before the law to Abraham , and then about 400 years later God makes the covenant with his descendants through moses which has different priests the Levite’s , mediator Moses , a different intercessor Moses , a different judge Moses , over a different law the law of Moses which came as a result of mans transgression and disobedience to God rather than coming for the intent of restoring what the enemy stole and still steals from us through false doctrine
the law is good right and holy but man is flawed and needs healing the law can’t do that it can bring us to our knees in humility and repentance and create that hunger for righteousness which leads us there by faith built upon the proper foundation of Christ and his gospel .
what Jesus taught came at the time when all were under the law and condemned having sin made known , for the intent of restoring the right mind he took with the knowledge of good and evil , that’s why I quoted 1 John 5 in the end there the inderstandingnhe gave us changes us if we accept it and take it on our own selves we can know God like it says and understand what he wants and the rest we have in getting there
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yeah I would agree that we don’t earn salvation . Salvation comes by believing the gospel Jesus taught . We don’t get to create a new way to be saved we have one way Jesus Laos our the way in full. Salvation is when you begin to believe him in what he said and take him at his word rather than make arguments against what he said .
We can’t be saved any wither way than the way Jesus taught us is all I’m saying that means , our requirement is belief can’t be saved without faith . Faith has to come from what Gods word has said about the matter . Our opinions that differ from Jesus , means we need to repent and believe his word
that will then correct the thinking that sin is excused or “ faith means never having to obey God” faith teaches us to obey God and not hear that as a burden , but something to be thankful for when God changes the stronghold in the mind telling us something contrary to the truth have to believe Jesus over anyone else
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
John 14:6-7 KJV
To insist there’s nothing for us to do missed the mark We can serve satans will or Gods will one leads to death the other to eternal life
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7, 10-12, 14, 16-18, 21-23 KJV
See what Paul’s saying isn’t that we don’t have to obey and its a gift at all would you agree ? Given the paragraph in context rather than saying it’s just a gift Repentance and obedience have nothing to do with it .
it’s a gift because of we believe the gospel God will change the issue that leads us into serving sin where we will die if we don’t repent and begin serving the will of God . Many things we do will not lead to salvation I know it’s hard to hear but it’s true we can’t serve satans will which is sin and serve Christ the Lord at the same time we need to believe the gospel and let him cut away the issues in our heart so we can be free and walk in the spirit
There’s more to salvation than saying grace Paul taught a lot of things around those verses we cling to It’s all the understanding
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
Galatians 5:16-26 KJV
Paul taught all of the same things we can’t serve sin and inherit the kingdom , same as saying repentance is necessary . We do have fruits we need to begin to bear , that is to say we need to start acting in the faith we have created through belief . What we do matters immensely how we get there is to learn and believe what God said about it all through Christ .
those things we should agree to it and let it correct our thinking it will bring about changes in our minds and hearts
And the results are the fruits of the spirit. Many more than just those.
it’s a gift but we have a major role in the matter and a choice to believe Jesus and the gospel or let the devil steal the word of life
We can’t be saved any wither way than the way Jesus taught us is all I’m saying that means , our requirement is belief can’t be saved without faith . Faith has to come from what Gods word has said about the matter . Our opinions that differ from Jesus , means we need to repent and believe his word
that will then correct the thinking that sin is excused or “ faith means never having to obey God” faith teaches us to obey God and not hear that as a burden , but something to be thankful for when God changes the stronghold in the mind telling us something contrary to the truth have to believe Jesus over anyone else
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
John 14:6-7 KJV
To insist there’s nothing for us to do missed the mark We can serve satans will or Gods will one leads to death the other to eternal life
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7, 10-12, 14, 16-18, 21-23 KJV
See what Paul’s saying isn’t that we don’t have to obey and its a gift at all would you agree ? Given the paragraph in context rather than saying it’s just a gift Repentance and obedience have nothing to do with it .
it’s a gift because of we believe the gospel God will change the issue that leads us into serving sin where we will die if we don’t repent and begin serving the will of God . Many things we do will not lead to salvation I know it’s hard to hear but it’s true we can’t serve satans will which is sin and serve Christ the Lord at the same time we need to believe the gospel and let him cut away the issues in our heart so we can be free and walk in the spirit
There’s more to salvation than saying grace Paul taught a lot of things around those verses we cling to It’s all the understanding
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
Galatians 5:16-26 KJV
Paul taught all of the same things we can’t serve sin and inherit the kingdom , same as saying repentance is necessary . We do have fruits we need to begin to bear , that is to say we need to start acting in the faith we have created through belief . What we do matters immensely how we get there is to learn and believe what God said about it all through Christ .
those things we should agree to it and let it correct our thinking it will bring about changes in our minds and hearts
And the results are the fruits of the spirit. Many more than just those.
it’s a gift but we have a major role in the matter and a choice to believe Jesus and the gospel or let the devil steal the word of life
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Wonderfully worded brother, to summarise our position:
Ephesians 2 (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved (God elects his chosen children for salvation)
through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, (God gives the seed of faith in Messiah's / Christs sin atonement)
9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (All of the above is as a result of no action initiated from the saved ones)
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (As God's chosen children now walk in the good works prepared by God, sin flees from their lives)
Ephesians 2 (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved (God elects his chosen children for salvation)
through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, (God gives the seed of faith in Messiah's / Christs sin atonement)
9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (All of the above is as a result of no action initiated from the saved ones)
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (As God's chosen children now walk in the good works prepared by God, sin flees from their lives)
yes but the understanding of those things is found all around them in the same letters . Take it all in together and faith will go to work the key is to let Jesus and what he taught his followers build and shape how we believe in God . We need to look for God in Jesus and his words and we will find him .
This is something Paul taught in those same epistles
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
there’s a different message if we say saved by grace , and take that in context of all the rest . Than if we say saved by grace , nothing else can apply even from the same letters to the same believing church “ the gospel Jesus preached is necassary for salvation we don’t have to completely understand it but we do have to accept and believe it because he is the judge as Paul said there who we have to go appear before this is why we need to believe his word
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
there are two paths that should create a believer will seek out his word and believe , and then others will explain why it doesn’t apply so they can avoid the word of truth .
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:18 KJV
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-25
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
faith believes what the Lord has said and follows where he leads that’s how the gospel is. Faith moves a person to believe Gods way and forsake our way accept his thoughts and forsake ours because Jesus is God manifest to all who will accept him in the gospel as he presented himself to mankind
This is something Paul taught in those same epistles
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
there’s a different message if we say saved by grace , and take that in context of all the rest . Than if we say saved by grace , nothing else can apply even from the same letters to the same believing church “ the gospel Jesus preached is necassary for salvation we don’t have to completely understand it but we do have to accept and believe it because he is the judge as Paul said there who we have to go appear before this is why we need to believe his word
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
there are two paths that should create a believer will seek out his word and believe , and then others will explain why it doesn’t apply so they can avoid the word of truth .
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:18 KJV
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-25
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
faith believes what the Lord has said and follows where he leads that’s how the gospel is. Faith moves a person to believe Gods way and forsake our way accept his thoughts and forsake ours because Jesus is God manifest to all who will accept him in the gospel as he presented himself to mankind
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what are those good works ? And where do we learn what they are ? And why is it important ?
“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged:
and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.”
Proverbs 16:6 KJV
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:42-44 KJV
it’s important to hear about and talk about that part of the gospel because it’s a real thing. I’m so very thankful for Gods Grace because I myself , everyone I love and all of us would have been condemned to death forever.
but his grace was shed abroad with his judgements , who is the eternal judge and has declared his judgements and said they will forever stand then he declared anyone who hears the gospel and believes being baptized for remission because they do believe would be saved.
we don’t need to be perfect we simply aren’t yet . What we need to do is seek
Out the lord in the gospel because that’s where he shows himself to mankind , that’s where his words are filled with light and life of men.
To believe will produce a lot of fruit in one persons life and a little in another’s life because we are judged according to what we understand about right and wrong according to Jesus not moses
Law but according to the judgements of God in truth when he came and showed himself in Christ and became our intercessor and mediator.
in the Old Testament God appears like this when he gives his word
“And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.”
Exodus 19:11-13 KJV
But the New Testament when God came to Give his word in Christ he appears like this
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
the New Testament is a teacher of repentance and righteousness the old was an accusation against a sinner .
Grace saved Noah also brother genesis 6:8 but he was still Instructed to build the ark and he obeyed because he believed Gods word that it would save him and his family . Has he said “ I have faith lord , you shewed me grace so there’s no need to follow what your saying “
faith means you believe Gods word , Noah believes Gods word about the end coming , so faith built the ark with Noah’s obedience and he became heir of the righteousness of faith Paul teaches us about . We need to be like Noah with the gospel Jesus taught and the apostles taught .
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:6-7 KJV
Jesus is all we really need faith in him but we need faith that comes from him and his ways and words that’s just how I believe no one else has to . I think discussion is good when we can freely talk and not worry about thinking anyone else has got to agree and see it our way
I’m not that way I think salvation is between those who believe in Jesus from the scriptures and God the Father through him . I like everyone else have beliefs that I myself am pretty sure of and discussion without argument really helps us to consider other ideas and thoughts concerning the Bible
God bless
And thanks for having the right spirit of discussion
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged:
and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.”
Proverbs 16:6 KJV
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:42-44 KJV
it’s important to hear about and talk about that part of the gospel because it’s a real thing. I’m so very thankful for Gods Grace because I myself , everyone I love and all of us would have been condemned to death forever.
but his grace was shed abroad with his judgements , who is the eternal judge and has declared his judgements and said they will forever stand then he declared anyone who hears the gospel and believes being baptized for remission because they do believe would be saved.
we don’t need to be perfect we simply aren’t yet . What we need to do is seek
Out the lord in the gospel because that’s where he shows himself to mankind , that’s where his words are filled with light and life of men.
To believe will produce a lot of fruit in one persons life and a little in another’s life because we are judged according to what we understand about right and wrong according to Jesus not moses
Law but according to the judgements of God in truth when he came and showed himself in Christ and became our intercessor and mediator.
in the Old Testament God appears like this when he gives his word
“And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.”
Exodus 19:11-13 KJV
But the New Testament when God came to Give his word in Christ he appears like this
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
the New Testament is a teacher of repentance and righteousness the old was an accusation against a sinner .
Grace saved Noah also brother genesis 6:8 but he was still Instructed to build the ark and he obeyed because he believed Gods word that it would save him and his family . Has he said “ I have faith lord , you shewed me grace so there’s no need to follow what your saying “
faith means you believe Gods word , Noah believes Gods word about the end coming , so faith built the ark with Noah’s obedience and he became heir of the righteousness of faith Paul teaches us about . We need to be like Noah with the gospel Jesus taught and the apostles taught .
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:6-7 KJV
Jesus is all we really need faith in him but we need faith that comes from him and his ways and words that’s just how I believe no one else has to . I think discussion is good when we can freely talk and not worry about thinking anyone else has got to agree and see it our way
I’m not that way I think salvation is between those who believe in Jesus from the scriptures and God the Father through him . I like everyone else have beliefs that I myself am pretty sure of and discussion without argument really helps us to consider other ideas and thoughts concerning the Bible
God bless
And thanks for having the right spirit of discussion
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
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