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Jackson123

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Guojing said:
This made me recall how there was one in this forum who told me "Refraining from taking the mark of the beast", during the Tribulation, is not a work :ROFL:
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Work for love, example helping the poor, is not against the Bible but it is obeying the Bible, because Jesus say love your neighbor.

Hate or not hate but not help is against the Bible.

But it doesn't mean helping your neighbor save us.

Faith in Jesus save us, and real faith will manifest itself as love and love manifest itself as helping the neighbor.
Stealing from neighbor isn't love, faith in Jesus mean not stealing from neighbor.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe Christian must refrain from sin but you don't believe preaching refrain from sin is work salvation.

Basically you agree preaching refrain from sin, but you not agree that preaching refrain from sin mean work salvation, am I correct?
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Nope as usual you fail to understand a thing I said
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Jackson123 said:
The issue is faith not sin

Some people believe as long as you have faith your sin forgiven mean he is free to make sin.
I have a friend, he want to make his weeding party look good to make his mom happy, about 30'years ago in Indonesia weeding party very costly because they invite a lot of people, some invite 300, the rich may 2000, he doesn't have money so he use credit card and plan not to pay.
I tell him, that is stealing. He said, salvation not by work, Jesus die for our sin.

Yes Jesus die for our sin, but I believe He only forgive us when we repent, not plan to sin.
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Some people believe as long as you have faith your sin forgiven mean he is free to make sin.
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That would be wrong understanding.
A person that has been saved had to come to GOD and repent In TRUTH that means the person has to repent sincerely and the bible says those that have been truly saved WILL seek

to be like the born again person they have become ,In other words If your friend Really got saved he would want to do good,using someone else's money to pay for a wedding and not planning to pay them back IS wrong so then anyone thinking like that would make me wonder If they really got saved or If they just said the words for salvation but not meaning those words.

He said, salvation not by work, Jesus die for our sin.
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This Is true
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John 3:16
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16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Yes Jesus die for our sin, but I believe He only forgive us when we repent, not plan to sin.
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Yes,but repentance for salvation must be true and not just repeating words.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe Christian must refrain from sin but you don't believe preaching refrain from sin is work salvation.

Basically you agree preaching refrain from sin, but you not agree that preaching refrain from sin mean work salvation, am I correct?
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Romans12:1-2
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1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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This would be the preacher telling us to refrain from sin and this Is not talking about salvation but Its talking about living holy after salvation.
 
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Jackson123

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seed_time_harvest said:
Romans12:1-2
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1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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This would be the preacher telling us to refrain from sin and this Is not talking about salvation but Its talking about living holy after salvation.
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So you believe salvation don't need holy living? Am I correct?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I been on this forum for quite a few years, never heard one say those who are attempting to not sin ALONE (without taking into account anything else they say) constitutes a work salvation, and maybe one Or two has slipped by my Seeing, but if many did, it would be something that would be seen by everyone
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Someone just before your post stated its not license (to sin), but it is freedom (to sin) that the grace of God affords one to do whatever they do. Do you not see how perverse this type of rationale is?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your judging people. You should refrain from that.

I do it the wat Jesus did, by seeking to love others, seeking after the things of the spirit

if your going out trying to sacrifice your flesh all the time, maybe that’s your problem
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Offering your physical body a living sacrifice, so that the Lord may find you acceptable, means to refrain from worldly carnal inclinations.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Hmm so your over 2000 years old?
again, it’s about the law of love, anything else will fail
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I agree it is about the law of love. Love is spiritual, and as such is at odds with worldly carnal inclinations.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 
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luigi

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eternally-gratefull said:
no one is excusing sin, you have listened to to many people who tell you anyone who stands on Grace is excusing their sin.

you want to help a person with their sin issue? Help them to get healed first, and your not going to do that by judging them. Even Jesus said he did not come to judge, he came to save, if a person is not saved, there will be no healing
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I am not judging anyone, I am merely presenting logic.
When we first come to the Lord for salvation, are we not first to repent of our sins, which means to have an earnest desire to leave our worldly carnal inclinations behind us? Yes we are.
If we are then to lead someone else to Christ telling them that they first need to repent of their sins, but the individual leading someone to Christ is known to be worldly, how is this not hypocritical?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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luigi said:
Someone just before your post stated its not license (to sin), but it is freedom (to sin) that the grace of God affords one to do whatever they do. Do you not see how perverse this type of rationale is?
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It’s interesting, I looked at the post before me and it was you, I went back a few pages and did not see the post
 
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luigi said:
Offering your physical body a living sacrifice, so that the Lord may find you acceptable, means to refrain from worldly carnal inclinations.
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It does not mean that will make God forgive you of your sins,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
I m sorry.
So are you agree or not if one preach to refrain from sin ?
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To earn salvation? No, That would be impossible because you would have to still meet Gods standard
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe salvation don't need holy living? Am I correct?
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I believe that salvation (GOD does this) comes from GOD THEN a person will live holy renewing their minds to be like the new creation they have become.

Romans 12:1-2
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1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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luigi

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Seeking and striving to resist sin.. Seeking or striving to do good.. Seeking and striving to pray or read the Bible or share the Gospel is not the point..

The point is does a person believe that doing the above things earn for them eternity with God? If so then they are fallen away from what saves them and they have embraced a works salvation belief that does not save..
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According to Paul in Romans 12:1-2 we are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice, which means to cease from worldly carnal inclinations, so that we may be holy and acceptable to God. Those who honestly love God, would do this reasonable service.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 
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luigi

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eternally-gratefull said:
It does not mean that will make God forgive you of your sins,
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Since the latter part of Romans 12:1 indicates those who offer their body as a living sacrifice by putting their worldly carnal inclinations behind them are holy and acceptable before God, I am then running on the logical assessment that such an individual's sins have been forgiven them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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luigi said:
Post #65 claims it's not license by is freedom through grace.
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He said grace is not license its freedom you twisted his words


paul said the same thing
 
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luigi said:
Since the latter part of Romans 12:1 indicates those who offer their body as a living sacrifice by putting their worldly carnal inclinations behind them are holy and acceptable before God, I am then running on the logical assessment that such an individual's sins have been forgiven them.
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Then you are preaching works, that you make yourself righteous, and if you do good enough god will forgive you your sins,

this is found no where in scripture my friend, if we could make ourselves righteous, as Paul said, heist came in vein,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He said grace is not license its freedom you twisted his words


paul said the same thing
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If I got it wrong, then I got it wrong. I was under the impression he was claiming grace as the freedom to continue in sin, without any sin culpability. Below is a copy paste of his statemant.
"This is again virtue signalling and Paul was also accused by what your saying about those who understand grace is not licence but freedom ."
 
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