James wrote show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.
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A person can sin In the flesh because our flesh Is not yet perfect but they will be In the process of renewing their minds to be like the new creation they have become so then they don’t want to sin but they aren’t perfect and will still sin so then they will display spiritual fruit as they continue and anything that Is not good will be burned.
According to Romans 8:7, the spirit is at odds with the flesh. As such, if you believe in the flesh and sin, you are then at odds with the spirit of God.
The gospel of Christ is to love God and love your neighbor. These are spiritual qualities and belief.
Yeah, I didn't really clarify my point well in the OP. What I was saying is that while many see not sinning as a work in order to attain salvation, I on the other hand do not see refraining from sinning as a work. Someone else, however, pointed out Romans 12:1 where Paul does mention our offering our bodies as a living sacrifice (which I understand to be refraining from sinning), as a reasonable service in order to be accepted by God. If therefore refraining from sinning is a reasonable service, it then does constitute a work.No offense towards you but I wanted to make sure I understand your statement.
when you say Did you mean that refraining from sin Is doing evil works or did you mean sinning Is doing evil works?
And yes to sin is an evil work.
We are to overcome our carnal inclinations, and the Lord's sacrifice makes this possible for those of us who wish to take advantage and leave our sins to which we were previously bound. So yes, I do believe that ceasing from sinning is fruit of the Spirit, but only its basic first result. Further advanced fruit of the Spirit (after we leave our sins) are beneficial results to others.
How can a corrupt tree that sins often, produce good fruit? It can't.
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
If the Spirit has been created new then to GOD that Spirit Is no longer a corrupt tree because they are now just In GODs sight and their Spirit made perfect and they will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure but If a persons Spirit has not been created perfect by GOD then they Are corrupt and not justified by GOD.
GOD In CHRIST IS the VINE we are members of the body (the branches)receiving sustenance from the VINE displaying spiritual fruit.
They don't want to sin but they do.
Unsave don't care about sin and they do.
So save become better and better
Unsave never better.
But both are do sin
It is possible to be genuinely saved and to also be educated. When God saved me, the first thing he told me was to read my Bible. I quickly developed the habit of reading from the OT and NT, which I still do, 40 years later. I also read the Bible in other languages, like French and German, and also in Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew. After 25 years of that, I was still hungry to know more of Christ, and God called me to seminary. After I finished my MDiv, I took a break because my RA had gotten worse, then started my PhD in theology. At first it was very hard to understand. But now it is a constant joy to read my Bible, and to learn about God, as well as walking with him.
My entire relationship with God is based on him, not me. But what a marvellous gift God gave me when he called me to higher learning. God commands us to walk in his ways, and learning is part of that.
I don't know why people are so anti-education. Yes, there are bad seminaries. But there are also many Bible centred seminaries and theological institutes. It's easy to figure out which is which.
There was a man in my seminary, who also came from my city. We had to drive 3 1/2 hours one way to get there. He went to a church that was a stone's throw from his
Denomination's seminary, and supported that seminary. When I asked him why he didn't go there, he had a long list of biblical principles that seminary didn't believe in. He decided he was going to join my Baptist denomination that ran the seminary, far away. I will say, I took a few transfer courses and they were excellent. The world religions prof was a visiting professor, with a PhD in anthropology. Normally, he was a missionary in Malaysia. He ministers to tribal head hunters, and most of them came to Christ. He also had a ministry to Muslims, and had very interesting stories about how God led the Muslims to Christ. I guess you have to be very dedicated to be an evangelist and reach the people he did.
Which is to say, don't put down education. There are many educated people with a real passion to know and serve God. If God didn't call you, of course you should not go! All I know is that God called me, and I have grown so much stronger in my faith. And it was never weak, in the first place, after the miracle God did, saving me.
"Study to show yourself approved unto God, a worker that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.
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Who believes refraining from sin is works salvation?
for 1. John said a man born of God can not do it
second, it’s only works salvation if you are doing it to earn or maintain (not lose) salvation
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Who can cease from sin? If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves,
in my view a person who claims they have or can cease from all sin is decieved.
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Why not rely on God to help you, not continually try to do it of your own power?
what happen to the rest God promised,
I am confused why some think God has given us rest, then tells us to start working hard again?
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Amen
and what is the mark?
the mark God set is perfection,
and we have all failed to miss this mark of perfect love,
for all have sinned and fall short
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Amen perfect love
in 55 years have yet to meet anyone who has met this standard
I think the fonda entail different is
Save don't want to sin but do
Unsave don't care
Roman 7:19
19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.
Paul want to do good but fail
Unsave may don't have desire to do good.
God will help Oaul to do good because that is what he want
But I don't know if god help or justify people that don't want to do good.