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Given that we are led by the Spirit after we have believed and received Salvation.
John
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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The state of the natural man makes it impossible to choose anything OUTSIDE his own nature.
He can freely choose whatever is in his power to choose, but as a slave to sin......he is bound to the choices of his nature.
1 Corinthians 2:14 “A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised”
Everyone understands what the limits of the natural man are; it doesn't mean that he does not recognize boundries, but those would be the boundries set by a secular society. Spiritually he is a dead man, a corpse.
Romans 3:10-18 is the perfect example of the natural man.
10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
The only dead man I know of who answered a call was Lazarus.....when Jesus called. And that is a point....it is the calling of God alone that brings us to life.
He can freely choose whatever is in his power to choose, but as a slave to sin......he is bound to the choices of his nature.
1 Corinthians 2:14 “A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised”
Everyone understands what the limits of the natural man are; it doesn't mean that he does not recognize boundries, but those would be the boundries set by a secular society. Spiritually he is a dead man, a corpse.
Romans 3:10-18 is the perfect example of the natural man.
10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
The only dead man I know of who answered a call was Lazarus.....when Jesus called. And that is a point....it is the calling of God alone that brings us to life.
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Thus saith the TULIP. Now lets read the Bible...
Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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Yes absolutely. After having received the gift of salvation by grace through faith that leaves us with the ability to walk in newness of life justified by faith apart from good works or law keeping.
Galatians 2:15-21
15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 2:15-21
15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
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Yes, I am familiar with Romans......chapter 1's direction is to the "moral man" (natural)
Everything I posted was the bible.
Is that an implication that I did not?
So you deny original sin? Or do you think physical death was the only death Adam incurred and not spiritual death?
You free willers confuse me. One way you know that natural man is a dead spiritutally because the bible says he is until he is born again...and then you say he is just sleeping and somehow wakes up and wants to be born again.
You say that man has a choice to believe. I say that the natural man (who is DEAD) can only has secular choices.
I think you agree with 1 Peter 1:3 that God causes us to be born again, but your thinking is that He does this after man chooses .
And I guess we all have to avoid Romans 9 because......?
Everything I posted was the bible.
Is that an implication that I did not?
So you deny original sin? Or do you think physical death was the only death Adam incurred and not spiritual death?
You free willers confuse me. One way you know that natural man is a dead spiritutally because the bible says he is until he is born again...and then you say he is just sleeping and somehow wakes up and wants to be born again.
You say that man has a choice to believe. I say that the natural man (who is DEAD) can only has secular choices.
I think you agree with 1 Peter 1:3 that God causes us to be born again, but your thinking is that He does this after man chooses .
And I guess we all have to avoid Romans 9 because......?
Yeah - especially when it is done by someone who says this. 
Your illustration above defies itself - particularly in the clash between "born -physical birth" and "appoint oneself as a child of God" -- which is it - physical birth or spiritual birth? (And the answer is: 'spiritual birth')
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
You seem to be confusing what verse 12 is saying with what verse 13 is saying.
Look up the definitions of the word 'received' in verse 11 and verse 12. You should notice that they are different.
And, you can see why if you look carefully at the context of each verse.
Now look closely at the definition for the word 'received' in verse 12. This is an action on the part of the one doing the receiving.
In this context, according to this definition, one cannot receive [anything] without one's own will coming into play.
In verse 13, the word 'born' is referring to the spiritual rebirth of individuals - which is of God with no effect from man.
Verse 12 is about the will of individuals - believing in/on God/Jesus. Verse 13 is about the rebirth being 100% all God.
Your illustration above defies itself - particularly in the clash between "born -physical birth" and "appoint oneself as a child of God" -- which is it - physical birth or spiritual birth? (And the answer is: 'spiritual birth')
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
You seem to be confusing what verse 12 is saying with what verse 13 is saying.
Look up the definitions of the word 'received' in verse 11 and verse 12. You should notice that they are different.
And, you can see why if you look carefully at the context of each verse.
Now look closely at the definition for the word 'received' in verse 12. This is an action on the part of the one doing the receiving.
In this context, according to this definition, one cannot receive [anything] without one's own will coming into play.
In verse 13, the word 'born' is referring to the spiritual rebirth of individuals - which is of God with no effect from man.
Verse 12 is about the will of individuals - believing in/on God/Jesus. Verse 13 is about the rebirth being 100% all God.
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True. All true. Oh - EXCEPT for one thing...
It is by the power of God - through and by the Word of God - that the natural man is given the ability to choose something outside of his own nature.
It is that simple.
Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
It is by the power of God - through and by the Word of God - that the natural man is given the ability to choose something outside of his own nature.
It is that simple.
Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Yeah - especially when it is done by someone who says this.
Your illustration above defies itself - particularly in the clash between "born -physical birth" and "appoint oneself as a child of God" -- which is it - physical birth or spiritual birth? (And the answer is: 'spiritual birth')
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
You seem to be confusing what verse 12 is saying with what verse 13 is saying.
Look up the definitions of the word 'received' in verse 11 and verse 12. You should notice that they are different.
And, you can see why if you look carefully at the context of each verse.
Now look closely at the definition for the word 'received' in verse 12. This is an action on the part of the one doing the receiving.
In this context, according to this definition, one cannot receive [anything] without one's own will coming into play.
In verse 13, the word 'born' is referring to the spiritual rebirth of individuals - which is of God with no effect from man.
Verse 12 is about the will of individuals - believing in/on God/Jesus. Verse 13 is about the rebirth being 100% all God.
Your illustration above defies itself - particularly in the clash between "born -physical birth" and "appoint oneself as a child of God" -- which is it - physical birth or spiritual birth? (And the answer is: 'spiritual birth')
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
You seem to be confusing what verse 12 is saying with what verse 13 is saying.
Look up the definitions of the word 'received' in verse 11 and verse 12. You should notice that they are different.
And, you can see why if you look carefully at the context of each verse.
Now look closely at the definition for the word 'received' in verse 12. This is an action on the part of the one doing the receiving.
In this context, according to this definition, one cannot receive [anything] without one's own will coming into play.
In verse 13, the word 'born' is referring to the spiritual rebirth of individuals - which is of God with no effect from man.
Verse 12 is about the will of individuals - believing in/on God/Jesus. Verse 13 is about the rebirth being 100% all God.
Now I am using CAPS, so I must back off and let you go where you will.
So?
Yes - it is one sentence - in two parts - separated by a colon.
Do you understand the significance of the colon? What it is? What it is not?
Yes - the two parts go together - that is, they are associated with each other in the context of the whole sentence.
In the context of the whole sentence, [what I put in post #29] is plainly obvious.
Yes - it is one sentence - in two parts - separated by a colon.
Do you understand the significance of the colon? What it is? What it is not?
Yes - the two parts go together - that is, they are associated with each other in the context of the whole sentence.
In the context of the whole sentence, [what I put in post #29] is plainly obvious.
Did you not read what I wrote? Did you not read the Bible verse I quoted?
The Word of God has the power to show man that which is outside of himself. And then gives him the option to choose that which is outside of himself.
The power of God can break the curse.
The power of God:
~ draws a man to Him
~ shows him another option
~ gives him the ability to accept/take that option
You are looking at the depraved nature of man as though it were greater than God. It is not.
Man by himself can do nothing. However, when God gets involved - all things are possible...
The Word of God has the power to show man that which is outside of himself. And then gives him the option to choose that which is outside of himself.
The power of God can break the curse.
The power of God:
~ draws a man to Him
~ shows him another option
~ gives him the ability to accept/take that option
You are looking at the depraved nature of man as though it were greater than God. It is not.
Man by himself can do nothing. However, when God gets involved - all things are possible...
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