When are we saved ?

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OIC1965 said:
Are you kidding me?

Romans 8:29-30

Compare with 1 John 3:1-2
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2Beloved, NOW !!!! are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
This fits perfectly with what I'm saying . When do we become BELOVED ? sons of God . John 1 12
 
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OIC1965 said:
I’m sorry. Typo. One passage that says predestination happens after we’re saved. Just one. Bet you won’t find one.

If the Bible doesn’t say that predestination happens after salvation, your argument will fail.
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Every time the ' word ' Predestined ' shows up .
 
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throughfaith said:
2Beloved, NOW !!!! are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
This fits perfectly with what I'm saying . When do we become BELOVED ? sons of God . John 1 12
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Before we were born.
 
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throughfaith said:
ridiculous. Read eph 2.11-12 again . We are not known as BELOVED sons of God before we are born ..Good grief man .
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I thought God loved us first and showed that love by sending His Son to be a propitiation for our sins? Haven’t you read that yet?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ok, so where does it say predestined after conversion in Romans 8?
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23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.( EPHESIANS 1 .5 EPHESIANS 1 .13-14
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28¶And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow,( 1JOHN 3.1-2 ..Galation4.9 ) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 
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throughfaith said:
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.( EPHESIANS 1 .5 EPHESIANS 1 .13-14
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28¶And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow,( 1JOHN 3.1-2 ..Galation4.9 ) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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Where’s it say predestined after conversion? Are you confusing the predestination with the fulfillment of what is predestined???

So we’re not even predestined yet?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Where’s it say predestined after conversion? Are you confusing the predestination with the fulfillment of what is predestined???

So we’re not even predestined yet?
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How can you BE predestined ? its a destination chosen ahead of time . We do this with our sat nav . We type in the destination ahead of where we are going . Once IN HIM Ephesians 1.1-14 guess where we ARE going , which cannot fail thats why it says ' glorified ' as if already from God's perspective. Because we are predestined to BE CONFORMED .
1John 3 2Beloved, NOW !!!!! ARE WE the sons of God, and it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.
Rom 8.23 WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION ..

it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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So what I see is eleventh, Lena, and throughfaith hold to post conversion election and predestination. I don’t know how that view can be squared with the Bible.
 
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How can you BE predestined ? its a destination chosen ahead of time . We do this with our sat nav . We type in the destination ahead of where we are going . Once IN HIM Ephesians 1.1-14 guess where we ARE going , which cannot fail thats why it says ' glorified ' as if already from God's perspective. Because we are predestined to BE CONFORMED .
1John 3 2Beloved, NOW !!!!! ARE WE the sons of God, and it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.
Rom 8.23 WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION ..

it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.
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So you’re not predestined until you’re resurrected?
 
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OIC1965 said:
I see predestination before justification in Romans 8:29. Is one converted before they are justified? Don’t think so...

And you really don’t think God loved you until you chose Him?
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Maybe because your seeing it in a step by step order ?
 
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OIC1965 said:
So you’re not predestined until you’re resurrected?
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No I just meant we can't be IT . ITS a destination ahead of time that's chosen . You've got the destination chosen ahead of time as conversion . Where as I'm saying the destination is Glorification after conversion. Because its only possible IN HIM .If a person wants to get on the ' glorification bus ' he needs to be IN HIM . As IN HIM is enroute to last stop ' ADOPTION '
 
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