Romans 8:29 is exclusively about Jews? How can one come to that conclusion.
When are we saved ?
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Romans 8:29 is exclusively about Jews? How can one come to that conclusion.
Oh, but those shoes!
As children, my sisters and I loved rifling through boxes of old clothes in the attic, and playing dress-up
No rational reason to interpret it that way. Nothing supports that view. It is entirely arbitrary.
I didn’t post right.
When Paul uses the word elect in a salvation context, it is about Christians. Only when He is quoting or alluding to the OT does it mean Christ or Israel.
For example, Romans 8:33 is talking about the same people that Romans 8:1-32 is talking about.
I'm not sure i even understand your argument against what I'm saying about election and Predestination. Your saying its wrong but I'm still confused in light of what your saying is wrong with my view ,how your view makes sense ? What are you arguing for ? Whats the big picture here? Whats the consequences you see my view holds. What does your view help us understand the components of salvation and how we appropriate salvation..Your view has me scratching my head ?
Not only is Romans about the church/ the believers, the book of Ephesians which has the most definitive teaching on election was written primarily to Gentiles.
All I see here is people reading their pre existing beliefs into the Bible. It’s really sad.
' teaching on election ' ? thats not something a serious bible student should say . Thats doctrine speak.
So there should be no teaching on
εκλογή ( election)? Just take that word out of the Bible??? The word is found seven times in the Bible. And to choose ( Ephesians 1:4) is the verb form of choice, which is the same as election anyways
let’s try to end on this. Which happens first? Does God predestine us first or does He call us first?
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Oh, but those shoes!
As children, my sisters and I loved rifling through boxes of old clothes in the attic, and playing dress-up
Indeed... so much fun!!
I meant when someone says . " The bible is teaching this and that in this passage " " Paul is teaching the sovereign, doctrines of grace here " ect . Thats not what the bible is doing . Thats someone confused about what the bible SAYS .
Predestination is of existing saints to future glorification/ Adoption. I realise this clashes with those indoctrinated with a more reformed theological systematic. In fact I realise this view comes as a bewildering concept when a person has only been subjected to either reformed perspectives . Calvinism and Arminsim. I often wonder if to some they only understand these two options.
I'm yet to hear what you think Paul is trying to communicate to those at Ephesus ?
It seems so. In fact, I recently posted a third option and was mocked for it. Apparently if you are able to harmonize Scripture in a way that does not align with mainstream thinking, it is believed you belong to some sect or cult. That happens a lot, as people are unable to look beyond the boxes they are in.
11¶Wherefore remember OIC1965 that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
STRANGERS !!!! HAVING NO HOPE !!!!
" oh but God chose me before I was born " He saw i would choose him . He determined i would be his love gift to ....STOP with the nonsense . STRANGERS !!!!!!! NO HOPE !!!!!!! WITHOUT !!!!! GOD . WAKEY WAKEY !!!!!