Is Ezekiel 40-43 A Future Temple To Be Built In Jerusalem As Many Claim?

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Truth7t7

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It has been my experience that men who don't want to acknowledge what God has said, simply declare the Words of God to be "symbolic allegory". But when questioned on the meaning symbolically and allegorically of the rest of the same verse or text, they are quick to duck. You alluded to Isaiah 65:20; "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed".

Where is any indication of allegory here? In Eden, and after the fall, men lived to well over 900 years. And the Millennial Kingdom promises a "regeneration" in Matthew 19:28. The Greek word means "coming out of dormancy to renewed life like plants in spring". That is, with Christ's righteous rule, coupled with His blood "that speaks better things than Abel's", coupled with "the powers of the age to come", which was divine healing, men will again live into the hundreds of years. Men's winter is over and the Millennium is designated as "summer". With lack of plagues, massive harvest, divine healing, all backed by God, a man will easily live 900 years.

So where is the allegory? What is symbolic? NOTHING. The verse says that if a person dies at 100 years they will be reckoned as an INFANT DEATH. And if a man, after a hundred years of the reign of righteousness, and the rule of the rod of iron, is still a sinner, a curse will fall on him. Where is the difficulty? There is none. The difficulty is the minds of men who wish to annul the meaning of God's Words.

But let us, for your sake, assume allegory. Then, we as the under-educated in matters Biblical, may turn to you for knowledge. So please explain the allegorical meaning of
  • New Heaven and New earth
  • not remembered, nor come into mind.
  • to be glad and rejoice for ever
  • Jerusalem
  • her people
  • weeping
  • infant
  • filling one's days
  • houses
  • plant vineyards
  • eat fruit
  • seed of the blessed of the Lord
After all, YOU have chosen the allegorical way. YOU claim superior understanding in that these things are not literal. It is now up to YOU to preach and teach us who have missed the picture. But, sadly, I won't hold my breath. You and I know that you won't. You have been challenged multiple times in this, and other, threads, to lay forth sound, logical exegesis. But you answer with one-liners that only contain accusations - but no solid rebuttal.

Notwithstanding the above, we still esteem you as a brother in the Lord. Go well.
You forgot to acknowledge Ezekiel 47 why?

You post a response concerning houses, vineyards, in Isaiah 65 as if to support mortal humans in a Millennial Kingdom on this earth?

Yes Ezekiel 47 shows the (Eternal) as 47:12 shows the tree of life present in the eternal kingdom.

Yep, Animals, Rivers, Great Sea, Fish and Fishermen in the (Eternal) New Heven, Earth, Jerusalem, Pretty Cool, I Like Fishing!

Dont forget the tasty fruit from the tree of life, can you imagine?

Ezekiel 47:1-12KJV
1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.




 

Truth7t7

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#42
It has been my experience that men who don't want to acknowledge what God has said, simply declare the Words of God to be "symbolic allegory". But when questioned on the meaning symbolically and allegorically of the rest of the same verse or text, they are quick to duck. You alluded to Isaiah 65:20; "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed".

Where is any indication of allegory here? In Eden, and after the fall, men lived to well over 900 years. And the Millennial Kingdom promises a "regeneration" in Matthew 19:28. The Greek word means "coming out of dormancy to renewed life like plants in spring". That is, with Christ's righteous rule, coupled with His blood "that speaks better things than Abel's", coupled with "the powers of the age to come", which was divine healing, men will again live into the hundreds of years. Men's winter is over and the Millennium is designated as "summer". With lack of plagues, massive harvest, divine healing, all backed by God, a man will easily live 900 years.

So where is the allegory? What is symbolic? NOTHING. The verse says that if a person dies at 100 years they will be reckoned as an INFANT DEATH. And if a man, after a hundred years of the reign of righteousness, and the rule of the rod of iron, is still a sinner, a curse will fall on him. Where is the difficulty? There is none. The difficulty is the minds of men who wish to annul the meaning of God's Words.

But let us, for your sake, assume allegory. Then, we as the under-educated in matters Biblical, may turn to you for knowledge. So please explain the allegorical meaning of
  • New Heaven and New earth
  • not remembered, nor come into mind.
  • to be glad and rejoice for ever
  • Jerusalem
  • her people
  • weeping
  • infant
  • filling one's days
  • houses
  • plant vineyards
  • eat fruit
  • seed of the blessed of the Lord
After all, YOU have chosen the allegorical way. YOU claim superior understanding in that these things are not literal. It is now up to YOU to preach and teach us who have missed the picture. But, sadly, I won't hold my breath. You and I know that you won't. You have been challenged multiple times in this, and other, threads, to lay forth sound, logical exegesis. But you answer with one-liners that only contain accusations - but no solid rebuttal.

Notwithstanding the above, we still esteem you as a brother in the Lord. Go well.
You haven't refuted a thing, as you run from my direct claim, feel free to deny the presented truth.

1.) Is Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-20 parallel teachings of the same place, 100% "YES"

2.) Does Isaiah 65:17-18 Clearly show a (New Creation) of Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, 100% "YES"

3.) Is The Language in Isaiah 65:17-20 representing Jerusalem upon this existing earth 100% "NO"

Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-20 is exactly the same place in the (Eternal) New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

You run from the fact that the Jerusalem seen is created, and not the present earthly Jerusalem, this is (Eternal) (Rejoice Forever), and yes the infant and child seen is in this (Eternally Created Jerusalem)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17-20KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
 

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You forgot to acknowledge Ezekiel 47 why?
There is nothing in Ezekiel 47 that sets it in Eternity. In fact it does not describe a Spiritual scenario at all.
Ezekiel 47:13-23 goes on to describe the division of the holy Land between the 12 groups of God's people.

The river of life, Revelation 22:1-5, is a spiritual continuation of the one described in Eze 47. On the New Earth.

As for children in Eternity, that is impossible, as Jesus said; those worthy of a place in the spiritual world, do not marry [or procreate] and they are not subject to death....they are like angels. Luke 29:35-36
 

Truth7t7

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There is nothing in Ezekiel 47 that sets it in Eternity. In fact it does not describe a Spiritual scenario at all.
Ezekiel 47:13-23 goes on to describe the division of the holy Land between the 12 groups of God's people.

The river of life, Revelation 22:1-5, is a spiritual continuation of the one described in Eze 47. On the New Earth.

As for children in Eternity, that is impossible, as Jesus said; those worthy of a place in the spiritual world, do not marry [or procreate] and they are not subject to death....they are like angels. Luke 29:35-36
Your Claim Is False, Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:2 Is The Eternal Tree Of Life, Found Only In The (Eternal Kingdom)

(The Eternal Tree Of Life, In The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Tree Of Life, In The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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You haven't refuted a thing, as you run from my direct claim, feel free to deny the presented truth.

1.) Is Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-20 parallel teachings of the same place, 100% "YES"

2.) Does Isaiah 65:17-18 Clearly show a (New Creation) of Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, 100% "YES"

3.) Is The Language in Isaiah 65:17-20 representing Jerusalem upon this existing earth 100% "NO"

Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-20 is exactly the same place in the (Eternal) New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

You run from the fact that the Jerusalem seen is created, and not the present earthly Jerusalem, this is (Eternal) (Rejoice Forever), and yes the infant and child seen is in this (Eternally Created Jerusalem)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17-20KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Your reply is read and noted. It always amazes me that a Bible student will allegorize a prophecy in Isaiah, which has perfect literal sense, and then, in the same breath, declare New Jerusalem LITERAL. Is it not an indictment on our thinking process when a man says a City is a Wife. Or a City is "Mother of us all". Or a Tabernacle of God is God. Or has Gates made of Israelites. ABSURD!

The New Jerusalem is probably the most Metaphorical sign of the whole Bible. If explained with the rest of the Bible, it becomes the most precise and exhaustive picture of the consummation of God's purpose. If taken literally it causes more absurdity than any other picture.

The inference to the New Heavens and New Earth should be the subject of your next study. The Greek word "NEW" does not mean "made totally new". It means "made pristine". Added to this, there are at least half a dozen scriptures that say that God has made the earth "to remain forever" (e.g Psalm 78:69 or 104:5). And the scriptures that describe the purging of the earth state plainly that it is like its "garment" being purged (e.g. Psalm 102:26, Heb.1:11). A Garment is worn on the surface. 2nd Peter 3:6 gives the sense of the New Earth. The "earth that then WAS" is the same earth, but made new by wiping away forever what happened on the surface.

We've said our pieces and the other interested readers will judge. Let's leave it off.

Go well brother.
 

Truth7t7

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#46
As for children in Eternity, that is impossible, as Jesus said; those worthy of a place in the spiritual world, do not marry [or procreate] and they are not subject to death....they are like angels. Luke 29:35-36
Not one word in Isaiah Chater 11 Or 65, including Ezekiel 47 states infants are being (Born) its your imagination in a predetermined bias to create a Millennial Kingdom on this Earth, that is found no place in the Holy Scripture

Are infants, adults, animals, fish, houses, vineyards found on this earth (Yes) and they will be in the (Eternal Kingdom) also
 

Truth7t7

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Your reply is read and noted. It always amazes me that a Bible student will allegorize a prophecy in Isaiah, which has perfect literal sense, and then, in the same breath, declare New Jerusalem LITERAL. Is it not an indictment on our thinking process when a man says a City is a Wife. Or a City is "Mother of us all". Or a Tabernacle of God is God. Or has Gates made of Israelites. ABSURD!

The New Jerusalem is probably the most Metaphorical sign of the whole Bible. If explained with the rest of the Bible, it becomes the most precise and exhaustive picture of the consummation of God's purpose. If taken literally it causes more absurdity than any other picture.

The inference to the New Heavens and New Earth should be the subject of your next study. The Greek word "NEW" does not mean "made totally new". It means "made pristine". Added to this, there are at least half a dozen scriptures that say that God has made the earth "to remain forever" (e.g Psalm 78:69 or 104:5). And the scriptures that describe the purging of the earth state plainly that it is like its "garment" being purged (e.g. Psalm 102:26, Heb.1:11). A Garment is worn on the surface. 2nd Peter 3:6 gives the sense of the New Earth. The "earth that then WAS" is the same earth, but made new by wiping away forever what happened on the surface.

We've said our pieces and the other interested readers will judge. Let's leave it off.

Go well brother.
1.) The New Jerusalem Is A Metaphor?

100% Incorrect, A Future, Literal, Eternal Kingdom As Seen Below, I Can't Wait!

2.) The Earth Will Remain For Ever?

(It Will) Its Called (The New Earth) Not Moon, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Or Some Other Planets Name, (Earth)

3.) This Earth Is Going To Be Made Pristine?

This Earth Is Going To Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At The Second Coming 2 Peter 3:10-12, Immediately After The Tribulation, Matthew 24:29-30

We Are Instructed To Look For New Heavens And Earth 2 Pet 3:13

(Dissolved)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

(The Eternal New Jerusalem)

Revelation 21:10-27KJV

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
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1.) The New Jerusalem Is A Metaphor?

100% Incorrect, A Future, Literal, Eternal Kingdom As Seen Below, I Can't Wait!

2.) The Earth Will Remain For Ever?

(It Will) Its Called (The New Earth) Not Moon, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Or Some Other Planets Name, (Earth)

3.) This Earth Is Going To Be Made Pristine?

This Earth Is Going To Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At The Second Coming 2 Peter 3:10-12, Immediately After The Tribulation, Matthew 24:29-30

We Are Instructed To Look For New Heavens And Earth 2 Pet 3:13

(Dissolved)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

(The Eternal New Jerusalem)

Revelation 21:10-27KJV
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
If you would, take the time to study the Greek word rendered as "dissolved". You will find that it means that the earth will be "loosed" or "set free". Added to this, in a chemical reaction, "dissolved" does not mean that the element dissolved disappears. It is still in the mixture, but in the new form.

Take care brother.
 

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Not one word in Isaiah Chater 11 Or 65, including Ezekiel 47 states infants are being (Born) its your imagination in a predetermined bias to create a Millennial Kingdom on this Earth, that is found no place in the Holy Scripture

Are infants, adults, animals, fish, houses, vineyards found on this earth (Yes) and they will be in the (Eternal Kingdom) also
Noted; that you directly oppose the Words of Jesus in Luke 20:34-36
 

Truth7t7

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Noted; that you directly oppose the Words of Jesus in Luke 20:34-36
You (Falsely Claim) children are being born in Isaiah 65:20, not one word states your claim.

Will there be infants, children, and adults that are resurrected from the dead, that inherit the Eternal kingdom? 100% Yes (Your Silenced Again)

Isaiah 65:20KJV
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Luke 20:34-36KJV
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 
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Don't Be Deceived

1.) As is clearly seen in Ez 40:1-2 below, the vision of the temple was given to Ezekiel in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity

2.) As is clearly seen Ezekiel was instructed to show this temple to the house of Israel (In The Captivity)

3.) As is clearly seen, God gave instruction that their be (Blood Sacrifice For Sin)

The Temple Seen In Ezekiel Chapters 40-43 Is Nothing More Than The 2nd Zerubbabel Temple Built After The Babylonian Captivity In 536BC

There Is No Future Blood Sacrifice For Sin, Jesus Christ Paid The Price On Calvary (Once) For The Sins Of The World, Animal Sacrifice For Sin Has Been Abolished!

Ezekiel 40:1-2
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.

Ezekiel 43:1-11 & 18-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
Eze 43:5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
Eze 43:6 And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
Eze 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

The glory of the LORD came into the house and said "Son of man, this is the place of my throne, this is the place where I walk, this is the place where I will live (Zerubbabel's temple lol) with the children of Israel FOREVER."

Zerubbabel's temple is gone, what temple does the LORD live in now and FOREVER more?

I know you don't know anything about bible numbers but Ezekiel's temple is the 4th temple, which is of MAJOR SIGNIFICANCE. Ezekiel's temple is the body of Christ.
 

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If you would, take the time to study the Greek word rendered as "dissolved". You will find that it means that the earth will be "loosed" or "set free". Added to this, in a chemical reaction, "dissolved" does not mean that the element dissolved disappears. It is still in the mixture, but in the new form.

Take care brother.
No Need To Rewrite The Scripture To Suit Your Needs.

If you study real close, this existing Earth will pass away, God has a completely (New Creation) Its Called A (New Earth)

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
 

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Maybe an archaelogist can settle this dispute.
 

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Maybe an archaelogist can settle this dispute.
No; Jesus will settle all disputes when He comes in fire to change the world, the Sixth Seal event; His terrible Day of fiery wrath.
Only then will those who are confused and believe false teachings, finally see and understand the truth of God's Plans for His Creation. Isaiah 29:23-24, Isaiah 32:3-4, Isaiah 42:18-20
 
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No Need To Rewrite The Scripture To Suit Your Needs.

If you study real close, this existing Earth will pass away, God has a completely (New Creation) Its Called A (New Earth)

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Actually I didn't need to write a thing. I was just referring to Strong and Vine - both recognized authorities on Hebrew and Greek. You could do the same, if you were searching for the truth.
 

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No; Jesus will settle all disputes when He comes in fire to change the world, the Sixth Seal event; His terrible Day of fiery wrath.
Only then will those who are confused and believe false teachings, finally see and understand the truth of God's Plans for His Creation. Isaiah 29:23-24, Isaiah 32:3-4, Isaiah 42:18-20
Jesus Comes In Fire To (Change The World)?

The Lord Jesus Is Coming In Fire And Final Judgement, At His Second Coming/Revealing, immediately after the Tribulation, this existing earth is dissolved by this fire, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for eternity.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luke 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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When our Lord Jesus was on earth, where did he live? Well, we don't know. The Bible does not say, but it was probably in the open because He declared foxes and birds to have better accommodation (Matt.8:20; Lk.9:58). Here is the very God of the universe, and King of the Jews, the greater Solomon and the choice One of David's House, with nowhere to lay His head! So my questions are; When our Lord Jesus comes again in His and His Father's glory, with a Throne of glory, with every knee bowing and every tongue confessing Him as Lord, will David's House be fit for Him? Or will Solomon's house be fit for Him? Will the Vatican or Buckingham Palace be fit for Him?

There is a record of a House, unlike every other house ever built, which is not only large, intricate and glorious, but which reflects the finished work of Jesus. This House, fit for Emanuel - GOD with us - is found in the closing Chapters of Ezekiel. And some of the most esteemed and well-meaning Christians on this Forum are doing everything in their power to annul the place where Jesus will live when He returns. They have fables of pearly gates and streets of gold, but they would not grant the most beloved Man of God, a House that God has revealed, and which fits the completed work of the greatest, by far, Man Who ever lived.

The prophet Ezekiel either made a very detailed prophecy of a magnificent House for a certain "Prince", or he was smoking something. In Ezekiel the word "House" appears 143 times. How many times is the building of Ezekiel Chapter 40 onward called a "house"? And who is the man that will try to make Ezekiel 43:7 mean anything else than, "And he said unto me, Son of man, (1) the place of my throne, and (2) the place of the soles of my feet, where (3) I will dwell (4) in the midst of the children of Israel (5) for ever, ... ."
 

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The Lord Jesus Is Coming In Fire And Final Judgement, At His Second Coming/Revealing, immediately after the Tribulation, this existing earth is dissolved by this fire, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for eternity.
Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who look forward to the Day of the Lord!
What will the Day of the Lord mean to you? It will be darkness, not light, it will be as when you run from a lion, or are confronted by a bear....gets bitten by a snake! That Day will be darkness....without any light.

Amos 5:4 These are the Words of the Lord to the people of Israel...... Israel; now every faithful Christian person. Galatians 6:14-16

So T7t7; tell us you believe this happens at at the glorious Return of Jesus.

No; your belief of all the prophecies of the Lord's wrath happening when He Returns, are quite wrong. Proved by Revelation 15:1
 

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When our Lord Jesus was on earth, where did he live? Well, we don't know. The Bible does not say, but it was probably in the open because He declared foxes and birds to have better accommodation (Matt.8:20; Lk.9:58). Here is the very God of the universe, and King of the Jews, the greater Solomon and the choice One of David's House, with nowhere to lay His head! So my questions are; When our Lord Jesus comes again in His and His Father's glory, with a Throne of glory, with every knee bowing and every tongue confessing Him as Lord, will David's House be fit for Him? Or will Solomon's house be fit for Him? Will the Vatican or Buckingham Palace be fit for Him?

There is a record of a House, unlike every other house ever built, which is not only large, intricate and glorious, but which reflects the finished work of Jesus. This House, fit for Emanuel - GOD with us - is found in the closing Chapters of Ezekiel. And some of the most esteemed and well-meaning Christians on this Forum are doing everything in their power to annul the place where Jesus will live when He returns. They have fables of pearly gates and streets of gold, but they would not grant the most beloved Man of God, a House that God has revealed, and which fits the completed work of the greatest, by far, Man Who ever lived.

The prophet Ezekiel either made a very detailed prophecy of a magnificent House for a certain "Prince", or he was smoking something. In Ezekiel the word "House" appears 143 times. How many times is the building of Ezekiel Chapter 40 onward called a "house"? And who is the man that will try to make Ezekiel 43:7 mean anything else than, "And he said unto me, Son of man, (1) the place of my throne, and (2) the place of the soles of my feet, where (3) I will dwell (4) in the midst of the children of Israel (5) for ever, ... ."
Ezekiel: Hey Israel, I know were in the 25th year of our captivity, God instructed me to show you his vision of a temple to be built, he wants you to measure the pattern and plans to build, but don't get too excited, it's to be built in 2,500+ years from now?

(Real Big Smiles) (y)

Ezekiel 43:10KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

God: Ok priest of the Levites, I instruct you in Ezekiel's vision to keep the ordinance for Animal Blood Sacrifice For Sin, my only begotten son is going to die on the cross of Calvary in 600+ years and abolish this ordinance.
 

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Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who look forward to the Day of the Lord!
What will the Day of the Lord mean to you? It will be darkness, not light, it will be as when you run from a lion, or are confronted by a bear....gets bitten by a snake! That Day will be darkness....without any light.

Amos 5:4 These are the Words of the Lord to the people of Israel...... Israel; now every faithful Christian person. Galatians 6:14-16

So T7t7; tell us you believe this happens at at the glorious Return of Jesus.

No; your belief of all the prophecies of the Lord's wrath happening when He Returns, are quite wrong. Proved by Revelation 15:1
Big Smiles!

I have posted again and again that the two witnesses, prophets returned will bring plagues/judgement/wrath upon the kingdom of the beast and his world

Your claim that I only see this at the end is a pinocchio nose is growing again fairy tale.

(Gods Cup Of Wrath) is poured outat his second coming in fire and Final judgement,the earth us dissolved.

Revelation 11:18-19KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.