John 17 language.
Believers make up the church that is a bride that is given to the Son, right?
When are we saved ?
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John 17 language.
Believers make up the church that is a bride that is given to the Son, right?
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That’s fine
except when you see a calvinist twist that is not there.
when your at war with anything calvin, you start to see things that are not there, far to Many people have this issue lately. I fear it is because of all the calvin wars fought between to sides. That got many banned (calvinists and non calvinists) that people are still in that mode
it would be nice if people just looked at what someone said and just looked at him and try to understand instead of assuming like some have been.
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So do not calvinists, even Jesus said you gave them to me, we are a gift,They teach that the 'elect' are a ' love gift ' from the Father to the Son
just like we recieved the gift in faith
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
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eternally-gratefull
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No
god chose to give the son the gift of all who believe
once again, your reading into it one way and not seeing The Whole picture
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eternally-gratefull
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eternally-gratefull
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Boy has this thread gone afield.
What thread would you be referring to? Does that thread you refer to show , per my prior inquiry, the label, Banned, under that member name you speak of?
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eternally-gratefull
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It was a calvinist thread where about 4 or 5 people where banned
it does not matter what thread it was, let’s just not make the same mistake
God moved first in that he sent the Son to die for the sins of the World ,was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. Jesus said He will draw all men unto him And he is the light of the world. He gives the Holy Spirit . He has given everything, so we are then without excuse for not Believing the truth so as to be saved.
It would be difficult to elect in eternity past if God didn't know the future. The two systems are contradictory. But he may well contradict himself, you never know.
Odd then how you'd bring up that thread if it doesn't matter. Aside from the mistake of presuming 4 or 5 people were banned in "that thread" if/when there isn't a note to that effect under their name? OK.
Back to the topic.
(she says optimistically when there is a thread dedicated to the ban matter in Suggestions forum)
I get a sense that he is at least trying to understand our position. I don't get that sense with the other two. I could be wrong, but that's the sense I get right now.
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1st I did not bring it up someone else did, I just explained what it was
and I have no idea about some suggestion fo a ban matter, never seen it