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OIC1965 said:
Almost all of them.

Give me some names of people that don't say what I'm saying. Jesse Morrell? Kerrigan Skelly? Those are the people who deny what I'm saying mostly.I'd like a list of five people that deny that we are granted the power to believe. I bet you can't find five that aren't completely wacked out in their theology in other issues.
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If your saying God allowed the Gentiles to come in ,then yeah I agree. We can come in by grace . God gave the authority on this .
 
throughfaith said:
They mess up the Trinity if the second person is said to not love the world or have died for the whole world . I believe in a Jesus that actually died for the world .
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Calvinists do not chop up the Trinity like that. They believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit had a unified purpose, not that the Son had a different purpose than the Father or the Spirit. You don't even know what they teach. That's the problem. You think I'm teaching Calvinism, because you really don't know what Calvinists teach.
 
anyway, I am not going to go back and reply to over 30 posts addressed to me

I might choose a few or combine some...but later
 
OIC1965 said:
Calvinists do not chop up the Trinity like that. They believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit had a unified purpose, not that the Son had a different purpose than the Father or the Spirit. You don't even know what they teach. That's the problem. You think I'm teaching Calvinism, because you really don't know what Calvinists teach.
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sorry

but oy vey

there are mulitple threads on Calvinism here. check it out

most of us, or at least those here for some time, have participated in them and studied Calvinism

I know I have. it is silly to say to someone they do not know what Calvinism is

just another false dilemma presentation
 
OIC1965 said:
Almost all of them.

Give me some names of people that don't say what I'm saying. Jesse Morrell? Kerrigan Skelly? Those are the people who deny what I'm saying mostly.I'd like a list of five people that deny that we are granted the power to believe. I bet you can't find five that aren't completely wacked out in their theology in other issues.
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Jesse and skelly ( sinless perfection ) believe in an ' election ' conditional in eternity past . Which is false .
 
lenna said:
where is the post you mentioned way back?

no one said a thing about the Trinity

what you are doing here is called a strawman arguement. nothing to do with any prior discussion

we could also refer to it as a false dilemma as you are making up things to sound righteous
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I stated a biblical position, and you said "Calvinists say that" as if that makes it Calvinistic. Calvinists also believe in the Trinity. Calvinists say that. So what? it doesn't make it Calvinistic.

Calvinists believe in the authority of the Bible, the resurrection, the Deity of Christ, the Second Coming, etc. That doesnt make any of those things Calvinistic.
 
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lenna said:
where is the post you mentioned way back?

no one said a thing about the Trinity

what you are doing here is called a strawman arguement. nothing to do with any prior discussion

we could also refer to it as a false dilemma as you are making up things to sound righteous
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Maybe you have missed what has been going on here

anything that may even possibly be seen as calvisist automatically makes him a calvinist

he is responding out of the way he has been responded to,
 
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lenna said:
sorry

but oy vey

there are mulitple threads on Calvinism here. check it out

most of us, or at least those here for some time, have participated in them and studied Calvinism

I know I have. it is silly to say to someone they do not know what Calvinism is

just another false dilemma presentation
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Well for one, Calvinists do not believe that humans are robots. You showed you lack knowledge by talking about robot people.
 
lenna said:
I would not say something just to take sides...I think you know that

but it seems you are being falsely accused and I do not like that

I do not like that at all
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She is not being falsely accused.

she is the one who is doing the false accusations
 
soggykitten said:
This isn't the first time you've implied you know who is banned. Something that only members of the Administration or Moderation team would know.
I think we should note that about you and moving forward perhaps consider how you post with respect to the rules.
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Everyone knows who was banned in that thread.

smh
 
lenna said:
I would not say something just to take sides...I think you know that

but it seems you are being falsely accused and I do not like that

I do not like that at all
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I would agree that you would not state things to take sides and you do stay true to your beliefs (hahaha boy do I know that).

It is not about "accusing" but about drawing similarities with certain Calvinist/Reformed ideas which can be contested by looking at those scriptures in context.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Calvinists do not chop up the Trinity like that. They believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit had a unified purpose, not that the Son had a different purpose than the Father or the Spirit. You don't even know what they teach. That's the problem. You think I'm teaching Calvinism, because you really don't know what Calvinists teach.
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They teach that the 'elect' are a ' love gift ' from the Father to the Son :sick:
 
lenna said:
where is the post you mentioned way back?

no one said a thing about the Trinity

what you are doing here is called a strawman arguement. nothing to do with any prior discussion

we could also refer to it as a false dilemma as you are making up things to sound righteous
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I gave you a post number. I think it was 785. Going by memory.
 
lenna said:
I have a problem trying to answer people who love to be obnoxious and believe themselves smarter than all the other earth bound dummies

this is the problem I have.

1. I want to answer them according to their folly with bonus features

2. I do not wish to be banned so therefore I do not do that
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Here you called me obnoxious. For asking a question.
 
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