When are we saved ?

[OIC1965]

You keep inadvertently implying it though with what you say at times .

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No, every time I gave direct quotes from Paul on that. Direct and word for word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not believe in partial regeneration and I do not believe in regeneration before faith, your post does not apply to me.

I lost count as to how many times you have told him and others this basic truth if your belief

 

[lenna]

this has turned into a particularly meandering trail through the forest

we have Mary the perpetual virgin all the way to people saying the same thing but disagreeing that they are

I don't think we have arrived at the end yet. a few surprises still in store as you will see

 

[throughfaith]

Ok. We’re born again through faith. We are on the same page. Poof.

Now John says we are not born by the will of the flesh. What does that tell us about faith?

The answer is in the verse above it .
12But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Another misunderstood verse ... which supports POOF theology.

Yet he does not belief in poof theology in spite of how many times you accuse him. You should be ashamed of yourself

 

[EleventhHour]

this has turned into a particularly meandering trail through the forest

we have Mary the perpetual virgin all the way to people saying the same thing but disagreeing that they are

I don't think we have arrived at the end yet. a few surprises still in store as you will see

Comic relief

 

[OIC1965]

Regeneration is the work of God . Everything happens after we believe. Faith is the prerequisite.

Very good. I agree. So we are not born of God by an act of the will. We agree. And if we are not born of God by an act of the will, it follows we are not saved by an act of the will.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I need to go back to the Stirring the Pot Thread and the other Calvinists threads and find all my posts refuting these isolated proof texts.

If they do not follow Reformed Theology the interpretation of Calvinism why do they use the same proof texts.

It’s the word of God? Just because they use it does not mean they believe in the Calvinist interpretation

 

[lenna]

Comic relief

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I like the last one. such deep truth there

also, it is my belief some people float through this forum in a liquid state. you can't pin down what they say they believe and they just change course ... like water choosing the path of least resistance

 

[EleventhHour]

this has turned into a particularly meandering trail through the forest

we have Mary the perpetual virgin all the way to people saying the same thing but disagreeing that they are

I don't think we have arrived at the end yet. a few surprises still in store as you will see

More comic relief...

 

[throughfaith]

Very good. I agree. So we are not born of God by an act of the will. We agree

The answer is in the verse above it .
12But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the context says you were born again by an act of your human willpower, I’ll eat my hat.

Apart from any act of God amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The bible is mocked by saying God causes belief in those he saves .

God does not help a person come to faith? By giving him the ability to trust him?

 

[throughfaith]

Very good. I agree. So we are not born of God by an act of the will. We agree. And if we are not born of God by an act of the will, it follows we are not saved by an act of the will.

The answer is in the verse above it .
12But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name .Just to make the point again)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

nummm

you totally missed my lack of objectivity

but then again, you are relatively new

I was not being serious, but here is a sample of me being serious

I was born again because God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world but that we might have eternal life

my righteousness is not forced on me. I, like Abraham, believed God and that is called faith

this forum has had so many Calvinist debates that they are threadbare...forgive the pun (or not...it is your choice...ooo bad word)

Amen way to many Calvin debates. Sadly we now have threads where people are accused of being Calvinist where they are not

I am not sure which is worse. The calvinists trying to force their will or the anti calvinists trying to make everyone calvinist

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You were not born of God but an act of your will. That would make you your own Saviour and the one who began the work.

Good luck with that.

So god chose for you you do not chose?

 

[lenna]

Amen way to many Calvin debates. Sadly we now have threads where people are accused of being Calvinist where they are not

I am not sure which is worse. The calvinists trying to force their will or the anti calvinists trying to make everyone calvinist

I find oh I see confusing myself and I am not easily confusdeded

some obscure funny wording going on and sorry but it is there

 

[OIC1965]

The answer is in the verse above it .
12But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name .Just to make the point again)

Exactly. The right to become children of God is given to us. If the right to become children of God was not given, the power to believe unto salvation would not be given either. See that?

 

[lenna]

So god chose for you you do not chose?

meh

see what I mean? ducks as rock is thrown by another poster

 

[OIC1965]

So god chose for you you do not chose?

No, the point is that we are not saved by any work, not even an act of the will. John 1:13.

It’s in response to those who deny the Spirits work in drawing us.

throughfaith

Eleventh

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