When are we saved ?
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The gospel does save (deliver) here in this world when a babe in Christ comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God (the gospel). Save in Greek= deliver. The gospel does not deliver a person eternally, but it does deliver the regenerated babe in Christ while he sojourns here in this world.
He does without being the elect too. But that goes without saying.
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EleventhHour
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I need to go back to the Stirring the Pot Thread and the other Calvinists threads and find all my posts refuting these isolated proof texts.
If they do not follow Reformed Theology the interpretation of Calvinism why do they use the same proof texts.
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lenna
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This verse shows that the New Birth is not a result of your mere act springing from your will. Which means faith is not a mere act that you decide you’ll do one day.
You are not born again by a mere act of your will. It is a poof, because it is a new creation performed by God.
The poof you and eleven joke about is the same basic dig that atheists use to mock creationism.
If its not you believing then that's not salvation through faith . And its not christianity.
The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14 cannot believe in the things of the Spirit, until he has been regenerated. You do not have to believe anything to be saved (delivered) eternally, that is done by our sovereign God's grace, without man's help.
2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he (Jesus) abideth faithful, he (Jesus) cannot deny himself (because the elect are chosen in him before the foundation of the world).
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EleventhHour
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Actually no it does not... I will explain give me a minute... I need to find it, the post, which looks at it in Context.
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lenna
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If the context says you were born again by an act of your human willpower, I’ll eat my hat.
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EleventhHour
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This was explained to you as well in context which you dismissed because it does not support you system.
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EleventhHour
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I try to control it
this looks nothing like me
Red hair.. ..LOL hope there are not red heads around, they used to have a stereotype of flaming temper!
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lenna
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nummm
you totally missed my lack of objectivity
but then again, you are relatively new
I was not being serious, but here is a sample of me being serious
I was born again because God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world but that we might have eternal life
my righteousness is not forced on me. I, like Abraham, believed God and that is called faith
this forum has had so many Calvinist debates that they are threadbare...forgive the pun (or not...it is your choice...ooo bad word)
You were not born of God but an act of your will. That would make you your own Saviour and the one who began the work.
Good luck with that.
Understanding the gospel can save (deliver) you as you sojourn here in this world, but understanding the gospel does not save (deliver) anyone eternally, it does, however, inform us as to how we have been delivered eternally.
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