Lennon, Marxism, and Today

[Roughsoul1991]

https://www.investors.com/politics/...nciples-of-propaganda-to-consolidate-control/

Having attained power in late 1917 on a raft of promises — land to Russia's peasants, bread to Russia's starving cities and peace to Russia's World War I-weary soldiers.

A pattern emerged:

• Make lots of promises
• Media censorship
• Ended private property
• Forced the military to get in line by holding their families hostage
• A needed revolution or civil war to bring about communism
• Used the civil war from 1918 to 1921 to justify his acts by crisis
• Lenin swiftly altered and manipulated the meanings of words, intellectually disarming opponents. By controlling words, Lenin controlled perceptions of reality.
• Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste
• Created government monopolies forcing anything private owned to be shut down.
• denouncing opponents, Lenin was obsessive, virulent and personal, calling them "bloodsuckers," "insects," "spiders," "leeches" and "vampires." The bourgeois was "ex-people."
• the most disturbing means of propaganda against Russia's mostly illiterate population was the use of example as part of a reign of terror. Public hangings and shootings served as well as any written material to force Russians into submission.
• To reinforce the Bolsheviks' monopoly of ideas, churches were targeted for destruction because Russian peasants believed what they heard there. Sacred objects were looted and saints' relics tossed into the dirt as priests were shot. Only hollow husks remained as reminders that the old faith was now dead.
• Blame Your Predecessor

Do we see any patterns emerging today in our own culture and political atmosphere?

• We see lots of promises including free healthcare, free tuition, no borders, better quality of life as we slow climate change, lgbt rights, women's rights that include abortion, etc.
• We see Conservative media censorship and propagation of liberal media, cheering for detestable entertainment, and cancel culture decides who is credible to have a voice.
• The Bernie Sanders/ New Democratic platform has blamed the wealthy for all the ills in America. Capitalism is bad, Socialism good.
• We have seen within government the use of indoctrination by theories like Critical race theory to reprogram our soldiers thinking
• Civil war is being feared within the States
• Riots created by far-left radicals and allowed by radical mayors have both candidates saying if you vote for me, the violence will stop. I for one believe one over the other.
• Manipulation of words. Gender now means fluent with 100+ different pronouns. Marriage is no longer defined as men and women. An unborn child is just a clump of cells. Calling opponents bigots, Bible thumpers, deplorable, etc
• Any crisis like a mass shooting, climate change or covid will be politicized to bring about favored policy
• Big Tech has created massive monopolies like Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google, Walmart, etc to the point where small businesses have a hard time competing. Especially if Big Tech or giant companies use foreign labor.
• We have not seen government killings but we are seeing ANTIFA and BLM mobs kill people.
• Radical Democrats are attacking, burning, and shutting down churches.
• And every political candidate will blame their predecessors

 

[Lanolin]

well theres competing ideologies, far right has fascist regimes which are equally as oppressive.
most govts lean one way or the other, none are ever really centred. If they were truly centred both sides would work together or it would be a monarchy or theocracy.

Then you get the people worried about NWO new world order one world govt. Ecumenism which could mean shock horror, protestants and catholics together.

It is a much of a muchness.

I am trying to sift through political parties at the moment figuring out which one to vote or not vote for. Theres about ten of them. Or maybe just not vote. although in nz women were the first in the world to get the vote, so, am kind of obligated to tick a box of some sort.

anarchy could reign couldnt it? I think there has always been tensions in america and you have a looong way to go towards reconciliation. I dont remember there ever being a time when there was never a crisis of some sort...thats why people have sports, and tv, and drugs, to distract them.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

well theres competing ideologies, far right has fascist regimes which are equally as oppressive.
most govts lean one way or the other, none are ever really centred. If they were truly centred both sides would work together or it would be a monarchy or theocracy.

Then you get the people worried about NWO new world order one world govt. Ecumenism which could mean shock horror, protestants and catholics together.

It is a much of a muchness.

I am trying to sift through political parties at the moment figuring out which one to vote or not vote for. Theres about ten of them. Or maybe just not vote. although in nz women were the first in the world to get the vote, so, am kind of obligated to tick a box of some sort.

anarchy could reign couldnt it? I think there has always been tensions in america and you have a looong way to go towards reconciliation. I dont remember there ever being a time when there was never a crisis of some sort...thats why people have sports, and tv, and drugs, to distract them.

It is hard to predict what happens under civil unrest. It will all matter how hard the government or police crack down on it. It will matter if the military or police back one side or the other. It is hard to say if anarchy would reign. Of course, it would only last for a little while before a Napoleon takes advantage of the crisis. Napoleon stopped the anarchy by basically committing massive deaths as he made his claim to power. He had a large cannon fired into the crowd of protesters. Then if anyone didn't bow to him, they and their families would be killed. It becomes a dog eat dog world. Once liberty is lost, it historically is rarely ever gained back.

 

[Dino246]

Um...

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin?

Otherwise I'm thinking you're discussing fans of Julian Lennon and Richard Marx.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Um...

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin?

Otherwise I'm thinking you're discussing fans of Julian Lennon and Richard Marx.

Not following?

 

[Dino246]

Not following?

Check the thread title.

 

[EleventhHour]

Um...

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin?

Otherwise I'm thinking you're discussing fans of Julian Lennon and Richard Marx.

Too funny!!

 

[Dino246]

Too funny!!

Glad someone got it.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Check the thread title.

Must be something I'm not familiar with lol

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Glad someone got it.

My wife does the same thing. She tries to tell me jokes and I either point out why the joke made no sense or I never see the humor. She always says why so serious all the time lol.

 

[Dino246]

My wife does the same thing. She tries to tell me jokes and I either point out why the joke made no sense or I never see the humor. She always says why so serious all the time lol.

I was just jabbing gently at your spelling. "Lennon" in thread title, is the spelling of the Beatles musician (Julian is John's son); "Lenin" is the spelling of the Russian Marxist revolutionary leader. Julian Lennon and Richard Marx had pop hits in the 1980's.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I was just jabbing gently at your spelling. "Lennon" in thread title, is the spelling of the Beatles musician (Julian is John's son); "Lenin" is the spelling of the Russian Marxist revolutionary leader. Julian Lennon and Richard Marx had pop hits in the 1980's.

Ah okay I should proof read more often lol

 

[soggykitten]

I think the one good thing about Bernie Sanders is that when he called himself a Democratic Socialist he at least inspired some to research the history of Socialism itself.
And finding that Bernie is deeply fond of Communism, I think it makes it less of a task to understand where his and the Democratic party itself are coming from when they exploit Populism today in order to gain votes tomorrow.
But do you notice one consistent fact among those elected Democrats that advance the Socialist Communist platform under a different less stark wrapper?

Almost without exception, the exception being AOC because she's new to Congress, they're all rich Democrats who advance the Socialist Communist platform under a less stark wrapper. And exploit Populism in order to appease young voters.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist who owns three mansions and makes over a million dollars a year. When members of Congress make at most less than 200 thousand per annum.

Invest in American politics.Buy a politician.​

 

[OIC1965]

https://www.investors.com/politics/...nciples-of-propaganda-to-consolidate-control/

Having attained power in late 1917 on a raft of promises — land to Russia's peasants, bread to Russia's starving cities and peace to Russia's World War I-weary soldiers.

A pattern emerged:

• Make lots of promises
• Media censorship
• Ended private property
• Forced the military to get in line by holding their families hostage
• A needed revolution or civil war to bring about communism
• Used the civil war from 1918 to 1921 to justify his acts by crisis
• Lenin swiftly altered and manipulated the meanings of words, intellectually disarming opponents. By controlling words, Lenin controlled perceptions of reality.
• Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste
• Created government monopolies forcing anything private owned to be shut down.
• denouncing opponents, Lenin was obsessive, virulent and personal, calling them "bloodsuckers," "insects," "spiders," "leeches" and "vampires." The bourgeois was "ex-people."
• the most disturbing means of propaganda against Russia's mostly illiterate population was the use of example as part of a reign of terror. Public hangings and shootings served as well as any written material to force Russians into submission.
• To reinforce the Bolsheviks' monopoly of ideas, churches were targeted for destruction because Russian peasants believed what they heard there. Sacred objects were looted and saints' relics tossed into the dirt as priests were shot. Only hollow husks remained as reminders that the old faith was now dead.
• Blame Your Predecessor

Do we see any patterns emerging today in our own culture and political atmosphere?

• We see lots of promises including free healthcare, free tuition, no borders, better quality of life as we slow climate change, lgbt rights, women's rights that include abortion, etc.
• We see Conservative media censorship and propagation of liberal media, cheering for detestable entertainment, and cancel culture decides who is credible to have a voice.
• The Bernie Sanders/ New Democratic platform has blamed the wealthy for all the ills in America. Capitalism is bad, Socialism good.
• We have seen within government the use of indoctrination by theories like Critical race theory to reprogram our soldiers thinking
• Civil war is being feared within the States
• Riots created by far-left radicals and allowed by radical mayors have both candidates saying if you vote for me, the violence will stop. I for one believe one over the other.
• Manipulation of words. Gender now means fluent with 100+ different pronouns. Marriage is no longer defined as men and women. An unborn child is just a clump of cells. Calling opponents bigots, Bible thumpers, deplorable, etc
• Any crisis like a mass shooting, climate change or covid will be politicized to bring about favored policy
• Big Tech has created massive monopolies like Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google, Walmart, etc to the point where small businesses have a hard time competing. Especially if Big Tech or giant companies use foreign labor.
• We have not seen government killings but we are seeing ANTIFA and BLM mobs kill people.
• Radical Democrats are attacking, burning, and shutting down churches.
• And every political candidate will blame their predecessors

Youtube has a good video by Voddie Baucham on this topi

Cultural Marxism.

And related but not about Marxism, yet very relevant.

Ethnic Gnosticism.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do we see any patterns emerging today in our own culture and political atmosphere?

It should be evident from what has happened recently that Leninism and Bolshevism were indoctrinated into young people worldwide through schools, colleges, and universities over the last several decades (while everyone simply stood by). They have all adopted Radical Socialism and Communism as their religion.

If Biden-Harris were to somehow succeed in stealing the presidency, then America will go into Marxism and Communism, and also go under the control of Communist China. Biden has adopted Communist Sanders agenda hook, line and sinker (and Harris will be calling the shots). The radicals have virtually taken control of this unprincipled party which calls itself the Democratic party, and are demanding that Biden prioritize their destruction of America.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

It should be evident from what has happened recently that Leninism and Bolshevism were indoctrinated into young people worldwide through schools, colleges, and universities over the last several decades (while everyone simply stood by). They have all adopted Radical Socialism and Communism as their religion.

If Biden-Harris were to somehow succeed in stealing the presidency, then America will go into Marxism and Communism, and also go under the control of Communist China. Biden has adopted Communist Sanders agenda hook, line and sinker (and Harris will be calling the shots). The radicals have virtually taken control of this unprincipled party which calls itself the Democratic party, and are demanding that Biden prioritize their destruction of America.

Agree. It is crazy how many Christians do not see the evil at hand.

 

[calibob]

https://www.investors.com/politics/...nciples-of-propaganda-to-consolidate-control/

Having attained power in late 1917 on a raft of promises — land to Russia's peasants, bread to Russia's starving cities and peace to Russia's World War I-weary soldiers.

A pattern emerged:

• Make lots of promises
• Media censorship
• Ended private property
• Forced the military to get in line by holding their families hostage
• A needed revolution or civil war to bring about communism
• Used the civil war from 1918 to 1921 to justify his acts by crisis
• Lenin swiftly altered and manipulated the meanings of words, intellectually disarming opponents. By controlling words, Lenin controlled perceptions of reality.
• Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste
• Created government monopolies forcing anything private owned to be shut down.
• denouncing opponents, Lenin was obsessive, virulent and personal, calling them "bloodsuckers," "insects," "spiders," "leeches" and "vampires." The bourgeois was "ex-people."
• the most disturbing means of propaganda against Russia's mostly illiterate population was the use of example as part of a reign of terror. Public hangings and shootings served as well as any written material to force Russians into submission.
• To reinforce the Bolsheviks' monopoly of ideas, churches were targeted for destruction because Russian peasants believed what they heard there. Sacred objects were looted and saints' relics tossed into the dirt as priests were shot. Only hollow husks remained as reminders that the old faith was now dead.
• Blame Your Predecessor

Do we see any patterns emerging today in our own culture and political atmosphere?

• We see lots of promises including free healthcare, free tuition, no borders, better quality of life as we slow climate change, lgbt rights, women's rights that include abortion, etc.
• We see Conservative media censorship and propagation of liberal media, cheering for detestable entertainment, and cancel culture decides who is credible to have a voice.
• The Bernie Sanders/ New Democratic platform has blamed the wealthy for all the ills in America. Capitalism is bad, Socialism good.
• We have seen within government the use of indoctrination by theories like Critical race theory to reprogram our soldiers thinking
• Civil war is being feared within the States
• Riots created by far-left radicals and allowed by radical mayors have both candidates saying if you vote for me, the violence will stop. I for one believe one over the other.
• Manipulation of words. Gender now means fluent with 100+ different pronouns. Marriage is no longer defined as men and women. An unborn child is just a clump of cells. Calling opponents bigots, Bible thumpers, deplorable, etc
• Any crisis like a mass shooting, climate change or covid will be politicized to bring about favored policy
• Big Tech has created massive monopolies like Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Google, Walmart, etc to the point where small businesses have a hard time competing. Especially if Big Tech or giant companies use foreign labor.
• We have not seen government killings but we are seeing ANTIFA and BLM mobs kill people.
• Radical Democrats are attacking, burning, and shutting down churches.
• And every political candidate will blame their predecessors

Wow, thats a lot to comment and respond to. However I've seen with my own eyes 3 truckloads of sheet wearing clansmen, with clubs brake up an a mixed race holiday festival in the late 70's. Who has not seen white supremist's marching with torches chanting; "Jews will not replace us," Fighting between Klansmen, BLM, neo-Nazis', Antifa and Dixiecrats in the streets.

I had to take a taxi home because a riot involving BLM caused the busses to stop running. (It cost me $55) My son had to help board up the place where he worked before election day because they were afraid of a riot. From both radical sides. I've seen both side live with my own eyes. Both sides are guilty of much.

I though that Conservative capitalist's were investors in Walmart and our ports where those communist made good came to shore here. Face book was hacked by Putins' stooges, not PBS. Yeah were in a horrific mess.

I hate homosexuality, Abortion, Astrology, Censorship of news, Communism, Fascisms. Imperialisms, Oligarchs, Kleptocrats, dictators, Elitisms and/or any other non Democratic form of choosing leadership. I hate the DNC also because they sold out to lobbyists and about half the villain's of the above.

I think Satan is real and playing both sides against the middle. He knows Christs words of course; "A house divided will fall." He tried to use the word against the Lord in the wilderness. Are we so immune?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Sadly we imported a bunch of bolsheviks as refugees during WW2; Frankfort school professors, and with out a thought gave them jobs in our higher education system. These Alinski types "educated" those who are the educators and politicians who are bending the minds of folks today.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Wow, thats a lot to comment and respond to. However I've seen with my own eyes 3 truckloads of sheet wearing clansmen, with clubs brake up an a mixed race holiday festival in the late 70's. Who has not seen white supremist's marching with torches chanting; "Jews will not replace us," Fighting between Klansmen, BLM, neo-Nazis', Antifa and Dixiecrats in the streets.

I had to take a taxi home because a riot involving BLM caused the busses to stop running. (It cost me $55) My son had to help board up the place where he worked before election day because they were afraid of a riot. From both radical sides. I've seen both side live with my own eyes. Both sides are guilty of much.

I though that Conservative capitalist's were investors in Walmart and our ports where those communist made good came to shore here. Face book was hacked by Putins' stooges, not PBS. Yeah were in a horrific mess.

I hate homosexuality, Abortion, Astrology, Censorship of news, Communism, Fascisms. Imperialisms, Oligarchs, Kleptocrats, dictators, Elitisms and/or any other non Democratic form of choosing leadership. I hate the DNC also because they sold out to lobbyists and about half the villain's of the above.

I think Satan is real and playing both sides against the middle. He knows Christs words of course; "A house divided will fall." He tried to use the word against the Lord in the wilderness. Are we so immune?

Jesus took a whip and turned the tables over in His Father's house because it was divided with evil.

Evil will cause a house to fall.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

well theres competing ideologies, far right has fascist regimes which are equally as oppressive.
most govts lean one way or the other, none are ever really centred. If they were truly centred both sides would work together or it would be a monarchy or theocracy.

Then you get the people worried about NWO new world order one world govt. Ecumenism which could mean shock horror, protestants and catholics together.

It is a much of a muchness.

I am trying to sift through political parties at the moment figuring out which one to vote or not vote for. Theres about ten of them. Or maybe just not vote. although in nz women were the first in the world to get the vote, so, am kind of obligated to tick a box of some sort.

anarchy could reign couldnt it? I think there has always been tensions in america and you have a looong way to go towards reconciliation. I dont remember there ever being a time when there was never a crisis of some sort...thats why people have sports, and tv, and drugs, to distract them.

Fascist, is a straw man invented by the socialists. Of you look at what is happening here, you will notice that the news and the democrats are screaming fascist about the police in certain cities, but these cities are democrat cities with democrat mayor's and city council's and democrat elected sheriffs, who then hire and train the police force and install the Unions that protect them. They set up the straw man so they can then knock him down. It's also these democrats who due to this covid mess shit down small mom and pop shops but kept walmart and kroger open. They used media pressure to do it all over the country. They used inflated hospital numbers to hype the fear, and then during the elections said Trump ruined the economy. Civil war is coming, it's just a matter of time.