There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Dissolves It By Fire!

[pottersclay]

The Thousand Year Reign
20 Then[a] I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. 2 He[c] seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. 3 The angel[d] then[e] threw him into the abyss and locked[f] and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.)

4 Then[g] I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge.[h] I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand. They[j] came to life[k] and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.)[l] This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who takes part[m] in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them,[n] but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Calling all rocket scientist........no wait false alarm 🚨

 

[GraceAndTruth]

TRUTH 7t7 AMEN.....you are biblically and historically accurate.

Wow ...WAS I FOOLED!! LOL, THIS IS WHAT I DESERVE FOR JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. BAD ME.

 

[oyster67]

Obvioiusly you know nothing of Preterism or Amilennialism. A book by Boettner on this subject would benefit you. He covers all the ISMs.

ISMs need to be covered.... by about 6 feet of dirt.

 

[Truth7t7]

Obvioiusly you know nothing of Preterism or Amilennialism. A book by Boettner on this subject would benefit you. He covers all the ISMs.

Boettner is a Preterist, this teaching is foundational in the Roman Catholic Jesuit, Luis De Alcazar (1554–1613)

If you study the Early Church Father's, Justin Martyr, Iranaeus, Hippolytus, you wi find they all taught of a literal human man as a future Antichrist from their 2nd, 3rd century lives, and they saw this human man causing the great tribulation, something Boettner didn't tell ya

The events seen in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew Chapter 24 are (Future) unfulfilled.

 

[Truth7t7]

ISMs need to be covered.... by about 6 feet of dirt.

I agree, we can start with (Preterism) and (Dispensationalism)

 

[GraceAndTruth]

So...ask who are the "nations".....well, Mrs Rocket-Scientist says .........hmmm the only nations God mentioned are the twelve tribes!
So Satan has been kept from deceiving the Jewish nations for a time so that some would be saved. One could say Satan has been released by the way the world turns today, but then the world has always been troubled and hated Jesus Christ.

Now as to the beast.........the beast had been identified IN THE BIBLE as Nero.

Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; The woman is Jerusalem, the 7 mountains are the 7 kings mentioned (and identified in the next verse v10)2. (Rev 17:7 Beast is identified: 7heads, 10 horn,

The heads are the kings, therfor the 10horns further identify Rome as the beast.

Horns being the 10 nations conquered by Rome and ruled over by Rome: Heruli, Suevi, Burgundian, Huns, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, Visigoths, Anglo-Saxons)

The identity of the 7 kings mentioned in Rev. 17:10
The 7 kings have to be these early Caesers because only those Caesars fit the criteria:
* five of whom have fallen, *one is, the *other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while NOTE: we count from Augustus because his reign began the Imperial period, his status as the founder of the Roman Principate These kings are in the order that they ruled:
Five fallen: Augustus Julius, Tiberius, Gaius, Caligula, Claudius
One is: Nero (presently ruling)
One yet to come for little while: Galba – future (reigned 7 months and 7days, shortest reign of all Caesars)
John’s noting the 7 kings with 5 dead, the 6th in power, which is Nero, and one to come makes the timing between 14AD and 69AD…Augustus to Galba… (Nero ruling years 55-68AD…commited suicide in June of 68AD) The fact that John is under persecution, as is the whole church, shows that Nero The Beast had begun his reign of terror on the Christians.
Galba, succeeding Nero Caesar, would have released John from Patmos in 68 AD*. (John himself mentions he was at Patmos when he received the Revelation), making the Revelation being written before or during 1st half of 68AD while John was still on Patmos.
*Galba was dead by January 15, 69AD………ruled for 7 months and 7 days

NOTE: It was the historic position of the church’s earliest belief that John was exiled by Nero. (Advocated by Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen in their writings).

John was probably arrested at Ephesus where he pastored. There was a large contingent of the Roman army posted there.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow ...WAS I FOOLED!! LOL, THIS IS WHAT I DESERVE FOR JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. BAD ME.

No problem, hope I'm still loved

 

[Truth7t7]

So...ask who are the "nations".....well, Mrs Rocket-Scientist says .........hmmm the only nations God mentioned are the twelve tribes!
So Satan has been kept from deceiving the Jewish nations for a time so that some would be saved. One could say Satan has been released by the way the world turns today, but then the world has always been troubled and hated Jesus Christ.

Now as to the beast.........the beast had been identified IN THE BIBLE as Nero.

Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; The woman is Jerusalem, the 7 mountains are the 7 kings mentioned (and identified in the next verse v10)2. (Rev 17:7 Beast is identified: 7heads, 10 horn,

The heads are the kings, therfor the 10horns further identify Rome as the beast.

Horns being the 10 nations conquered by Rome and ruled over by Rome: Heruli, Suevi, Burgundian, Huns, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, Visigoths, Anglo-Saxons)

The identity of the 7 kings mentioned in Rev. 17:10
The 7 kings have to be these early Caesers because only those Caesars fit the criteria:
* five of whom have fallen, *one is, the *other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while NOTE: we count from Augustus because his reign began the Imperial period, his status as the founder of the Roman Principate These kings are in the order that they ruled:
Five fallen: Augustus Julius, Tiberius, Gaius, Caligula, Claudius
One is: Nero (presently ruling)
One yet to come for little while: Galba – future (reigned 7 months and 7days, shortest reign of all Caesars)
John’s noting the 7 kings with 5 dead, the 6th in power, which is Nero, and one to come makes the timing between 14AD and 69AD…Augustus to Galba… (Nero ruling years 55-68AD…commited suicide in June of 68AD) The fact that John is under persecution, as is the whole church, shows that Nero The Beast had begun his reign of terror on the Christians.
Galba, succeeding Nero Caesar, would have released John from Patmos in 68 AD*. (John himself mentions he was at Patmos when he received the Revelation), making the Revelation being written before or during 1st half of 68AD while John was still on Patmos.
*Galba was dead by January 15, 69AD………ruled for 7 months and 7 days

NOTE: It was the historic position of the church’s earliest belief that John was exiled by Nero. (Advocated by Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen in their writings).

John was probably arrested at Ephesus where he pastored. There was a large contingent of the Roman army posted there.

I'm fully aware of Boettner, Riddlebarger, Sproul, Preterism was invented by the Roman Catholic Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (1554–1613)
His Preterist teaching was to remove the pope from being the Antichrist of the day, pushing fulfillment to 70AD in the Jerusalem Destruction, better known as the (Counter Reformation)

The book of revelation was written in 96AD, those that claim a date earlier are trying to validate the false teachings in (Preterism)
That is that Matthew chapter 24 and Revelation in 1.) The Abomination Of Daniel, 2.) The Great Tribulation, has been fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

As the quote of early church father Iranaeus below states, John was seen towards the end of Emperor's Domitians reign, that ended in 96AD, solid proof on the dating of the Revelation.

Here’s the quote from Adversus Haereses by Irenaeus regarding the date of the book of Revelation in the context of the Apostle John’s life:

“We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision.
For [it or he] was seen not very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign.”

– Saint Irenaeus, Adversus haereses 5, 30, 3

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I looked at all the comments, I have to say it's confusing to me just what you all believe and what you think I believe, so I give you my head on platter.

I am absolutely immovable on:
Doctrines of Grace as anagrammed in the TULIP
Five SOLAS
Trinity of God
Sovereigty of God
Amillenianism. This is not preterism tho we share the same views on the symbolism of Revelation.

Antichrist is an army, not a person (harmonize the Olivet discourse in Matthew with Luke and Luke state plainly that it IS an army)
same for Daniel.........I have an extensive study on Daniel too
Dispensationalism was the heresy of Scofield that infiltrated the churches with his study notes in the Scofield bible and his good friend Chafer who founded Dallas Theological Seminary and the dye was cast. There are NO dispensations, total foolishness. Fact is, a ton of false teaching can be traced back to Scofield.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your claims of sin, sex, human births are false, you have been refuted.

my God man I gave you the passages. You did not refute anything
good day. I will no longer respond to this nonsense

 

[GraceAndTruth]

You are not correct in labeling all calvinists as preterist......most of us are "Amil" and do not believe that the Revelation is ALL past history as we still look for His coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation was written before 70AD
In chapter 11 the temple is still standing!

The temple being measured in Rev 11:1-2 is the eternal kingdom, same scenario is seen in Ezekiel 47 with more detail, it has nothing to do with Zerubbabels 2nd temple.

 

[Truth7t7]

I looked at all the comments, I have to say it's confusing to me just what you all believe and what you think I believe, so I give you my head on platter.

I am absolutely immovable on:
Doctrines of Grace as anagrammed in the TULIP
Five SOLAS
Trinity of God
Sovereigty of God
Amillenianism. This is not preterism tho we share the same views on the symbolism of Revelation.

Antichrist is an army, not a person (harmonize the Olivet discourse in Matthew with Luke and Luke state plainly that it IS an army)
same for Daniel.........I have an extensive study on Daniel too
Dispensationalism was the heresy of Scofield that infiltrated the churches with his study notes in the Scofield bible and his good friend Chafer who founded Dallas Theological Seminary and the dye was cast. There are NO dispensations, total foolishness. Fact is, a ton of false teaching can be traced back to Scofield.

Preterism that you follow, in teaching that Matthew 24:15 the AOD and Matthew 24:21 the Great Tribulation was fulfilled in 70 AD in the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem?

This is also a false teaching from the Roman Catholic Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (1554–1613)

You bag on Dispensationalism, that I also believe is a heresy of Darby & Scofield, you fail to look at Alcazar the Roman Catholic Jesuit.

Yes he invented the 70AD fulfillment, to remove the pope from being the Antichrist of the day, yes this was part of the Jesuit (Counter Reformation) strategy.

Boettner, Sproul, Riddlebarger, are followers of this Jesuit Alcazar, he's the father of the teaching, and that's the Truth.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Tossing early church fathers and their quotes around does not bolster your stance. Irenaeous also paved the way for Mary worshp and her SINLESSNESS. In Against Heresies, Irenaeus compares her to Eve: “And if the former did disobey God, yet the latter was persuaded to be obedient to God, in order that the Virgin Mary might become the patroness (advocata) of the virgin Eve. And thus, as the human race fell into bondage to death by means of a virgin, so is it rescued by a virgin; virginal disobedience having been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience.”

 

[Keras]

Preterism is wrong, and so is AMillenniumism.
Jesus will Return as the King of the earth and Revelation 20 clearly says He will reign for a thousand years. What is so hard to believe about that? Isaiah 33:20-24, Zechariah 14:16-21 describe this time, plus many other prophesies. The fulfillment of them was what the Jews in the first century were looking for, but were disappointed when He came as a suffering servant.

Peter tells the truth for our days:
A letter to the peoples of God, scattered around the world:

Praise to God and to our Lord Jesus for the hope of salvation and for the protection of His power. Be joyful, although you may have to suffer for a little while, as you pass through the assayers fire.

Since Christ endured bodily suffering, you too must expect this judgement as the end of all days is upon us [you Christians], but do not be taken aback by the fiery ordeal which has [will] come to test you as though you did not know it was coming.

All that has happened concerning Jesus, confirms for us the messages of the prophets, which you will all do well to take seriously. What they say has been given to us by the Holy Spirit and interpretation is by comparing scripture with scripture. Just as in the past there were false prophets and teachers, so it is now. Those who have misled My people will suffer dire punishment.


Note this: In the last days scoffers will come, they will mock and say: ‘What happened to His promised coming? Nothing has changed as yet’. They forget how God destroyed all the wicked peoples in Noah’s day and now the world is reserved for burning and again the godless will be destroyed. The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath will come unexpectedly, with the heavens tearing apart, flames will envelope the earth and with a loud noise ALL the earth will be brought to judgement.

In expectation of this, do your best to be found at peace with God.

Friends: you have been warned, take care that you do not be taken in by wrong theories and false teachings, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be all the glory!

Ref: R.E.Bible 1 & 2 Peter, condensed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Preterism is wrong, and so is AMillenniumism.
Jesus will Return as the King of the earth and Revelation 20 clearly says He will reign for a thousand years.

Your Claim Is False, Jesus Christ Warned His Believers Against Such Teachings, Jesus Christ Won't Be Found Anyplace On This Existing Earth.

(Believe It Not) (Go Not Forth)

Matthew 24:23-27
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The temple being measured in Rev 11:1-2 is the eternal kingdom, same scenario is seen in Ezekiel 47 with more detail, it has nothing to do with Zerubbabels 2nd temple.

You are going off the deep end. Ezekiel 47 is about dividing land among the tribes, a WHOLE other topic.
And in case you don't know there were ONLY TWO temples......the original temple of Solomon and the temple built after the Babylon captivity which was standing in 70AD.

If this is the kind of rebuttal you do then I am DONE.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are going off the deep end. Ezekiel 47 is about dividing land among the tribes, a WHOLE other topic.
And in case you don't know there were ONLY TWO temples......the original temple of Solomon and the temple built after the Babylon captivity which was standing in 70AD.

If this is the kind of rebuttal you do then I am DONE.

Sorry your frustrated, but Zerubbabels temple was #2 and it was built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity.

Ezekiel 47 is an explanation of the (Eternal Kingdom)

You will closely note in Ezekiel 47:12 the same exact tree and river of life is seen as in Revelation 22:1-2 below

Water out of the sanctuary/throne, Fruit according to months, leaves for healing/medicine

Jesus Christ Is Lord!

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:1-12KJV
1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Answer to question of TOPIC: No, there is no future millinium........we are IN the millenium and waiting for the last trump and Christ's return for His beloved. Using 'thousand' as a basis for any other view is a straw man easily knocked over by the fact that the word thousand as translated in that scripture....from the Greek chiloi actually means "thousand without number" or in other words - thousandS - the word for a singular thousand is chilias.

 

[Truth7t7]

Answer to question of TOPIC: No, there is no future millinium........we are IN the millenium and waiting for the last trump and Christ's return for His beloved. Using 'thousand' as a basis for any other view is a straw man easily knocked over by the fact that the word thousand as translated in that scripture....from the Greek chiloi actually means "thousand without number" or in other words - thousandS - the word for a singular thousand is chilias.

We Agree, There Will Be No Future 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Existing Earth.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, The Existing Heavens And Earth Are Dissolved By The Lord's Fire, Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.