There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Dissolves It By Fire!

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Please answer the individual questions in bold red below we will continue after, thanks

Verse 1) do you see (The Day Of The Lord), 2 Peter 3:10-13?

Verse 6-7) Do you see eternal light, also seen in Rev 22:1-5?

Verse 8) Do you see the river of life, Rev 22:1-5?
Verse 12) Do you see man being (Dissolved) by the Lord's fire 2 Peter 3:10-13?


Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
I am done man, it’s obvious you can not answer.

if there is sin, and punishment and sex and children being born in heaven after this heaven and earth is passed away and the lost are sent to hell

well something is wront, and I can no longer believe the word of God because it is no reliable
 

GraceAndTruth

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TRUTH 7t7 AMEN.....you are biblically and historically accurate.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Revelation was written before 70AD
In chapter 11 the temple is still standing!
 

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There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
exactly

going a bit further on your wonderful post here what is the great tribulation ? Just curious about your thoughts because your in line with the message
 

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So if 3 hours seems like a long period of time to me... :unsure:
Is it one day or a thousand years?

It's God telling man, there is no literal time in the Lord's spiritual realm, thousand years in Revelation 20:1-6 isn't literal, it's the spiritual realm of no earthly time, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% Spiritual

(Be Not Ignorant)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 

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DATING REVELATION – evidence of earlier date
According to many bible “scholars”, Revelation was written around 90+AD. This would make John somewhere between 75 and 80 years old. Not impossible but also John was pastoring in the Ephesus church and was no longer on Patmos. Following the custom of Rome at that time, political prisoners like John were released on the death of the prior Caesar, who imprisoned those political prisoners, by the new Caesar.

The old Syriac version of the bible has Revelation written by John “while on Patmos where he was exiled by Nero Caesar". Considering God’s timetables of 7 year periods, this 3 ½ years would begin around 64AD with John on Patmos writing Revelation and the next 3 ½ year period beginning the siege of the Roman army in 67AD of Jerusalem ending with the destruction of the temple in 70AD. Nero Caesar died in June of 68 AD, and according to Roman law those banned “political prisoners” by the prior Caesar would be released by the succeeding Caesar. Thus, John would have been released from Patmos in 68 AD by Galba Caesar. (John himself mentions he was at Patmos when he received the Revelation).It was the historic position of the church’s earliest belief that John was exiled by Nero. So if John was still IN Patmos then he could not have written Revelation after 65AD.
 

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exactly

going a bit further on your wonderful post here what is the great tribulation ? Just curious about your thoughts because your in line with the message
I believe scripture teaches of a future literal human man that will be the man of Sin/Antichrist Rev 13:1-7, I believe it teaches that two literal Prophets will return and bring literal plagues upon a literal earth, just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt was literal Rev 11:1-15

I believe scripture teaches the tribulation is a future event, that will be 3.5 years in length, and will start when the Future antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus Christ returned to start a millennial kingdom on earth to the (Apostate) church, he's the great deceiver.
 

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I believe scripture teaches of a future literal human man that will be the man of Sin/Antichrist Rev 13:1-7, I believe it teaches that two literal Prophets will return and bring literal plagues upon a literal earth, just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt was literal Rev 11:1-15

I believe scripture teaches the tribulation is a future event, that will be 3.5 years in length, and will start when the Future antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus Christ returned to start a millennial kingdom on earth to the (Apostate) church, he's the great deceiver.
the future from now ? Or the future from 1900 years ago when it was written ?
 

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DATING REVELATION – evidence of earlier date
According to many bible “scholars”, Revelation was written around 90+AD. This would make John somewhere between 75 and 80 years old. Not impossible but also John was pastoring in the Ephesus church and was no longer on Patmos. Following the custom of Rome at that time, political prisoners like John were released on the death of the prior Caesar, who imprisoned those political prisoners, by the new Caesar.

The old Syriac version of the bible has Revelation written by John “while on Patmos where he was exiled by Nero Caesar". Considering God’s timetables of 7 year periods, this 3 ½ years would begin around 64AD with John on Patmos writing Revelation and the next 3 ½ year period beginning the siege of the Roman army in 67AD of Jerusalem ending with the destruction of the temple in 70AD. Nero Caesar died in June of 68 AD, and according to Roman law those banned “political prisoners” by the prior Caesar would be released by the succeeding Caesar. Thus, John would have been released from Patmos in 68 AD by Galba Caesar. (John himself mentions he was at Patmos when he received the Revelation).It was the historic position of the church’s earliest belief that John was exiled by Nero. So if John was still IN Patmos then he could not have written Revelation after 65AD.
I strongly disagree with (Preterism) the Olivet Discourse Matthew Chapter 24 in the abomination of Daniel, the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ are (Future Events) unfulfilled.
 

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Some of you are using texts with 'thousand' in them are metaphors while the text in Revelation is literal.
Makes your rebuttal look amateurish.
 

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This temple business is what caused me to question.
keep questioning......and while you are open to some facts, here is another to consider:
on dating revelation........(from my own study notes)

According to many bible “scholars”, Revelation was written around 90+AD. This would make John somewhere between 75 and 80 years old. Not impossible but also John was pastoring in the Ephesus church and was no longer on Patmos. Following the custom of Rome at that time, political prisoners like John were released on the death of the prior Caesar, who imprisoned those political prisoners, by the new Caesar.

The old Syriac version of the bible has Revelation written by John “while on Patmos where he was exiled by Nero Caesar. Considering God’s timetables of 7 year periods, this 3 ½ years would begin around 64AD with John on Patmos writing Revelation and the next 3 ½ year period beginning the siege of the Roman army in 67AD of Jerusalem ending with the destruction of the temple in 70AD. Nero Caesar died in June of 68 AD, and according to Roman law those banned “political prisoners” by the prior Caesar would be released by the succeeding Caesar. Thus, John would have been released from Patmos in 68 AD by Galba Caesar. (John himself mentions he was at Patmos when he received the Revelation).It was the historic position of the church’s earliest belief that John was exiled by Nero. So if John was still IN Patmos then he could not have written Revelation after 65AD.
 

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Is it one day or a thousand years?

It's God telling man, there is no literal time in the Lord's spiritual realm, thousand years in Revelation 20:1-6 isn't literal, it's the spiritual realm of no earthly time, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% Spiritual

(Be Not Ignorant)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This is God telling man that He is patient.

2 Peter
3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 

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I strongly disagree with (Preterism) the Olivet Discourse Matthew Chapter 24 in the abomination of Daniel, the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ are (Future Events) unfulfilled.
I am not Preterist because I look for the coming of Christ for His beloved at the LAST trump which has not been sounded yet.....we are in the period of the long pause before the last trump
and......we disagree on a lot
 

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This temple business is what caused me to question.
The book of revelation was written in 96AD, those that claim a date earlier are trying to validate the false teachings in (Preterism)
That is that Matthew chapter 24 and Revelation in 1.) The Abomination Of Daniel, 2.) The Great Tribulation, has been fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

As the quote of early church father Iranaeus below states, John was seen towards the end of Emperor's Domitians reign, that ended in 96AD, solid proof on the dating if the book of Revelation.

Here’s the quote from Adversus Haereses by Irenaeus regarding the date of the book of Revelation in the context of the Apostle John’s life:
“We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision.
For [it or he] was seen not very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign.”
– Saint Irenaeus, Adversus haereses 5, 30, 3
 

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I am not Preterist because I look for the coming of Christ for His beloved at the LAST trump which has not been sounded yet.....we are in the period of the long pause before the last trump
You are partial Preterist, full Preterist deny the second coming is future.

You most likely follow Riddlebarger, Sproul, Boettner, who are partial Preterist in their teachings, in the 70AD fulfillment in Jerusalem's destruction?

If you believe (Any Part) of the three items are fulfilled as seen below, your in the Preterist camp.

1.) Abomination Of Desolation Matt 24:15
2.) Great Tribulation Matt 24:21
3.) Second Coming Matt 24:29-30

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.
 

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I don't know and don't care what "Preterism", or any other 'ism' teaches about ANY scripture. I go strictly by SOLA SCRIPTURA in which prophecy is borne out in HISTORY if you know where to look.
 

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Obvioiusly you know nothing of Preterism or Amilennialism. A book by Boettner on this subject would benefit you. He covers all the ISMs.
 

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I am done man, it’s obvious you can not answer.

if there is sin, and punishment and sex and children being born in heaven after this heaven and earth is passed away and the lost are sent to hell

well something is wront, and I can no longer believe the word of God because it is no reliable
Your claims of sin, sex, human births are false, you have been refuted.

As was clearly shown, Zechariah 14 has the river of life present, Zech 14:8, there is only one place where this river is found, in the eternal kingdom

You have been shown that Isaiah 65 is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as Isaiah 65:17 tells the reader directly the place seen, you deny God's clear words below

You have been shown that Isaiah 65 & Isaiah 11 are the same exact place, with the Wolf and Lamb together, and the same Holy mountain where they will not hurt nor destroy.

The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Take Care, Jesus Christ Is Lord!

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.